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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. It won't be Girls on Film anymore... She took a tumble off her cradle in Storm Doris in the Netherlands. *and there is NO chance that a C40 will beat here in a WL. Strange they had already begun a new build......... before that.. GOF was sold as soon as the last season finished. New one has been in build for some time. I've seen pictures of the damage. Its not mortal but she'll need some work. Rig is completely fucked though.
  2. It won't be Girls on Film anymore... She took a tumble off her cradle in Storm Doris in the Netherlands. *and there is NO chance that a C40 will beat here in a WL.
  3. Around about $1 million to run for the season inc sails, hotels, flights, wages, boat transport etc etc.
  4. Thump is all relative. Let's be realistic and compare monohulls to monohulls. Also those polars aren't really all that accurate. The boat is outperforming those quite nicely.
  5. Maybe because the owners of the fast 40's have spent a mini metric shit ton of cash against developing a boat to that rule? Why on earth should they change their rule to accommodate this one design boat? This idea is exactly what kills every rule and causes check writing owners to leave the sport. Chasing a rule based on every new boat that comes along is a proven prescription for failure. It would thump the Fast 40+'s. It has the same righting moment but is about 20% lighter. Fast 40+ rule is based on a maximum IRC number of 1.270 and 42ft (ish) max length and a few other bits and pieces (to keep small slower boats out). The Melges IRC number would be up in ridiculous territory, so even if they wanted to (they don't) it wouldn't fit....
  6. There's a hell of a difference in the price tag and running cost for a 32-footer versus a 40-footer and consequently in the size of the market. If this actually develops into a real OD fleet, which none of its recent competitors has done, then you can come back and tell me you were right and I was wrong. Biggest targets for this one are owners of Melges 32, RC44, Farr40, TP52 and Michetti knows them all. That's a decent sized pool of potential owners for a boat with a 5-order headstart. That said, times are a changin' and 800k might be a lot these days for a boat that won't even do 15 knots upwind... Then again, a new TP costs over 2 million bucks and may be slower around the track than this thing, so there's clearly people out there who have no problem spending the cash to get some fun monohull racing. So your options are: sail a 10+ year old boat or get a 2 million buck TP52 Don't forget the much smaller crew requirement than a 52 this thing will have.
  7. Looks like main trav. Would think that will be routed to the patch in the non slip ahead of the tiller. Placed for the main trimmer - between mainsheet winches. Could the cam cleats be related to the overdrive/string drop system? I'm wondering about the second swivel cam cleat on the cockpit sole, forward the traveller. One for the vang. The second for? Deflectors? Correct on all counts.
  8. So the boat is designed by Botin, not Farr. The boatyard that built the boat has nothing to do with the fundamental deck design. This thing will never go close to offshore. Its so out there that it will only race in class. Certainly not primarily under handicap rules. This also takes out the need for a staysail as it will mostly see windward leeward racing.Good on you for spending other peoples money but that winch package that you are bagging is well into the 50k USD range. Add any fancy shit like that and the price will go right through the roof. Also not sure which C40's you have sailed on but none have driven runner winches (not even all 52s have that function) and none have driven main winches either.... Curious if you have any idea about what all that shit costs to add to a boat that has PLENTY of expensive bells and whistles. For example. Just adding a standard string drop system from harken is about 12k USD. Driving just one additional main sheet winch is going to set you back an additional 15k USD.... In fact if you even had half a clue about what you are talking about you would know that each button engages the relevant primary and the overdrive selection system is now integrated into the pedestal.... So yes there is value engineering happening there for a PRODUCTION boat. To respond to your reassertions in order:Doesn't matter who designed the boat, the yard has a lot of input in the fit and finish of the final product and looking at the finish of this boat it has a lot of the same premier features that came with the Farr 400. Some are good, some are bad. A great example are those little silver metal chafe protectors on the stantions. They look nice, right? Give it one regatta of hard hiking and those things pop out and start sliding up and down the lifeline, all while your cloth lifelines chafe on the exposed carbon. Or the under deck sheet tunnels with the same shiny stainless bits. You haven't lived until one of those has come undone during a Gybe and gotten sucked into a winch. Who says the boat is never going to go offshore? Try telling the guy who picks one of these up second hand that he has to totally redo every lifeline socket if he wants to do a Giraglia cup or a Key West race. Or even a first hand owner who may want to do those events. Staysail? Look at the 52s. They do windward leeward racing almost exclusively as well. But until the wind is up enough that they leave the jib hoisted going downwind, they all use staysails with under deck furlers and furling lines led to the back of the cockpit so that it doesn't take the bowman 10 seconds at every top and bottom mark to tack and untack the staysail and you don't need to move anyone out of the transom to furl it to Gybe. Learn reading comprehension. I didn't say select into runner or mainsheet winches (though certain carkeeks do have the latter option). I mean it appears that there's one button to engage or disengage BOTH PRIMARIES. And while you're correct that the mx pedestal has a slapper for overdrive, that doesn't explain the single solitary red button on the deck off centerline. Perhaps that's for a drop wheel? Even so, that still only leaves one button for primary winch selection and two primary winches. But if it is indeed the other pedestal selection button then that means there's no drop line system and we go back to my point that this is a boat which could have launched in 2011. There isn't a single innovative idea on display anywhere. And if it is indeed cost engineering then Melges may want to roll back their marketing orgasm that this is some kind of speedster that's going to blow by the competition. Because without 3 speed winches, a drop system, integrated staysail hardware, or a serious commitment to weight savings (as evidenced by all the metal hanging out on deck) a proper hpr40 will make up heaps of time on this boat by being able to hoist and drop the kite 3-4 times faster, Gybe 2-3 times faster, and trim more aggressively. And if actual speed isn't a big factor then just think how foolish a melges 40 owner is going to feel when he has to have his bowman up there collecting a kite by hand and dropping parts of it in the water in the same way he'd have to do on a freaking j105 while other boats don't even have a guy forward of the mast and their kites stay bone dry without even sneezing at the water I won't get in to details but here is the deal. Clearly you have an axe to grind with premier about the Farr 400. Yes it was a dog and yes there where plenty of issues with the boat but the yard has come a long way since then as evidenced by many boats that they have built since then. The boat has 2 buttons on deck. Look closely. The boat also has a string drop wheel. All the winches are 3 speed winches and as I said before there is an overdrive system in the MX pedestal Its a one design class first and foremost so the staysail was dispensed with as were the secondary owner thoughts. Curious what metal hanging out on deck you are talking about other than that which is necessary. Alloy ferrules in the nostrils and stanchions and what else?
  9. So the boat is designed by Botin, not Farr. The boatyard that built the boat has nothing to do with the fundamental deck design. This thing will never go close to offshore. Its so out there that it will only race in class. Certainly not primarily under handicap rules. This also takes out the need for a staysail as it will mostly see windward leeward racing. Good on you for spending other peoples money but that winch package that you are bagging is well into the 50k USD range. Add any fancy shit like that and the price will go right through the roof. Also not sure which C40's you have sailed on but none have driven runner winches (not even all 52s have that function) and none have driven main winches either.... Curious if you have any idea about what all that shit costs to add to a boat that has PLENTY of expensive bells and whistles. For example. Just adding a standard string drop system from harken is about 12k USD. Driving just one additional main sheet winch is going to set you back an additional 15k USD.... In fact if you even had half a clue about what you are talking about you would know that each button engages the relevant primary and the overdrive selection system is now integrated into the pedestal.... So yes there is value engineering happening there for a PRODUCTION boat.
  10. Its about making the least mistakes, not being perfect ;-) Aqua has a pretty good record...
  11. tactician called for hoist too early. Shouldve waited until nika started their hoist. Any decent tactician should be prepared for that. I can tell you for sure that the tactician called to hold, the head of the kite got poked on the sneak and then the crew were committed. Crew error....
  12. Not downwind but at the windward mark. Crew error caused this. Shouldn't have hoisted the kite so early in that situation when vulnerable. Once the hoist has started they are committed though...
  13. Is the one for the Saudi owner still sitting there? Fully paid for but not collected about a year ago..... No idea. I recall seeing that one last year but don't know what happened with it. I'd have a hard time believing it would sit there if it was fully paid for. Its not like they have a ton of excess space for a Farr 400 to sit around. Their production floor was pretty jammed packed with active projects last I was there. It was returned to PCT to be sold on. Fully paid for. Its the one with the wheels in the links above. The owner never used her so she just sat and deteriorated slowly in the Saudi sun for a few years. Just another toy for a rich Saudi.... PCT is big enough now that they can dictate payment terms and pick and choose projects better than smaller yards with less capacity. Marine is a pretty small part of their business.
  14. Both have the new bow.
  15. It wasn't new. Just refurbished. Its the one in the second link.