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  1. Rat Pack

    VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Or this video of him wearing a Dongfeng shirt talking about sailing with Dongfeng Race Team is somehow faked?
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    VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    This Turn the Tide crowd is growing on me. Great to see them out front but I'm anxious to see if they will be able to push harder this leg when they get down to true Southern Ocean conditions. What an impact a win for them would have on the scoreboard.
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    Vestas 11th Hour recovery

    This brings us back to our previous conversation about turning to starboard being standard practice under the COLREGs. If this wasn't the standard, they ran the risk of turning to port and the fishing boat turning to starboard and a collision between those two boats becoming more likely. The "some light" comment confuses me. If it was a nav light, it had to be visible at an absolute minimum of 1 mile to be COLREGs compliant regardless of boat size. The fact that the IJ ruled on 62.1(b) means that Vestas must have satisfied the "no fault" requirement somehow. There is so much we don't know about this incident, but you don't get to apply 62.1(b) without at least the preamble to the rule being satisfied. You must prove no fault first before any of the four redress qualifications can be taken into account. Or at least that's how US Sailing taught me during my judge's training. The facts read like they just didn't have enough information. Vestas hit something, never saw it, and it sank. Too much unknown for the jury to make the call. Surely Vestas wouldn't have gone through this without clearing it with their sponsors and definitely not if there was any chance that a legal authority would find them in any way at fault. Anyone who suggests that they were just cowboy sailors looking to enhance their score without consideration for their sponsors' brands doesn't know shit from fuck.
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    laugh or cry?

    They said the investigations were closed. They're moving on and asking how the racing rules apply to the situation which they clearly do. The rules invoke the COLREGs at the beginning of Part 2. Containers aren't governed by the COLREGs, but other vessels are so Koch and Kent, this is an important nuance. I think it is somewhat logical and speaks to Duncan's comment above. Calling it logical doesn't mean I agree with it! Certainly if investigations found them at fault they never would have requested.
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    Vestas 11th Hour recovery

    But by their own admission they did turn to starboard. So you're trying to imply that they had a boat crossing in front of them and they turned up and passed closer to the stern of that boat than if they had made no course change at all? That is ludicrous. Go back and re-read everything you've said and paint a logical scenario from the facts as you've laid them out and re-read the Q&A while you're at it. They admit that they turned up to stbd so as to keep clear of the fishing boat. The crew said that they were crossing the fishing boat. Hitting something in tow behind a boat that they were crossing is just not possible with those two facts alone. Just admit you're wrong on this and move on. By the way, standard COLREG practice is for all boats to turn to stbd when they are on converging courses. Maritime 101.
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    Vestas 11th Hour recovery

    No- because then it would be the fishing boat crossing them. The boat that is passing ahead of the other is commonly referred to as the one which is crossing. The other one is being crossed. If they were on stbd tack and headed up to keep clear (turned to stbd), then that means they were passing ahead of the boat. The target had to be coming left to right because there is no damage on the stbd side of the boat. Why would they turn to stbd to pass closer to the stern of a boat that would be crossing them? They couldn't by this logic have hit something that was being towed behind the target.
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    Vestas 11th Hour recovery

    How can it be that they were crossing the lit fishing vessel and at the same time hit something that was being towed by the boat they were crossing? That doesn't make much sense.
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    VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Reading but not contributing until now. Too much speculation for my like in here. Whatever comes of this, I hope lessens will be learned. Imagine the uproar on this thread if Vestas had raised sails and continued on after offloading a mortally injured person via helicopter. Someone had died because of a collision that they were involved with. I doubt at the time anyone was thinking "hey, we're really going to fuck our chances for redress if we don't put up sails right now."
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    VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Can someone tell this idiot talking that they already passed mark 1?
  10. You can hear SiFi yelling for water. They had to have been close to something. What year was it when a boat ended up on the rocks leaving a leg? I think it was in Sweden and a similar luffing situation....?
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    VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    Is the grid in the image southern posted equal spacing? If so, no way Brunel is ahead of Mapfre. Just watched the Vestas sail repair video. Attitude always seems great on that boat.
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    VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    where do you get that update?
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    VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    They're "leading" in that their distance to the mark is smaller. You have to wonder how they will go from the northeast wind they're in now to the southeast wind that everyone has been saying is the wind they all will end up with. Vestus and Akzo Nobel are currently showing on port tack in a southerly. Looks like a lift coming for them and a big header for Mapfre. Far from over and I doubt these guys worry about distance to the mark. All about playing for the next shift. Distance to the mark only matters at the finish.
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    VOR 2017-18

    At least for the first couple legs it will be worth it. A lot of talent from the last race has been disbursed amongst the teams with only Dongfeng and Brunel holding onto the same skipper/nav combinations. Abu Dhabi won the last one with Phil Harmer and Simon Fischer, who are both on Vestas. That has to count for something and they're my dark horse to keep an eye on. Mapfre was certainly stronger under Xabi's leadership last race and has proven themselves to be fast so far but nothing has really counted. Only in the Prologue were everyone required to use the same set of sails and the fleet split dramatically with the two race favorites going opposite directions. They would only split like that if each was confident their side was going to win. Sounds like a coin toss where one group came good and the other didn't. Happens all the time out here. I also recall seeing some videos of guys arriving in Alicante saying how they purposefully chose to stay close to other boats to "learn." Therefore, can a ton of conclusions really be drawn by everything so far? I don't know and that is why I can't wait to see it all start for real.
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    VOR 2017-18

    Click Racing on the main menu or the scroll at the top which reads Prologue Live Blog. Liked it better last race where it just said Tracker. Seemed more obvious. I thought the tracker was supposed to be live...? I guess since they haven't officially started, that is why the boats on the tracker appear still in Lisbon...? Anyone know how often they are updating that tracker this edition? I recall someone saying somewhere that the boats are receiving position reports every six hours. Dear god I hope the tracker is updated more frequently than that!