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Billy Bob

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  1. I looked the boat over at the Auckland boat show mostly because the owner is an acquaintance of mine. It is a nice boat and well thought out. This boat would be a bit to big for the wife and I to cruise comfortably (we are 60+ with loads of experience). I liked the boat because it wasn't loaded with a bunch of crap you don't need. I think the 50 would be much better size for us. I understand it is roughly about two million Kiwi for this boat. Operating, maintenance and running cost would be about 10% of the cost of a boat to keep well maintained a year so two hundred thousand a year? I better win the lottery for this one or work harder. If it was Paul on the boat he was very nice to talk with. Cheers.
  2. AC36 Protocol - Ask Dalts

    Since he probably won't answer any design questions at this time will answer some venue questions. Will it be closed course racing or will there be some offshore element to it. Would he consider Lake Taupo as a venue. Will the race, if not in Auckland, would it be in Italy or maybe Dubi where there is possibly more money for infastucture? Is he still enthusiastic about his part in representing the Americas Cup in New Zealand?
  3. beach cats in the ocean?

    Hey Bill, This is only coming about twenty years too late for me :-) It sounds like a good idea. good luck with it.
  4. The Next Boat-----2020

    Who said there would be a keel and lead? A mono hull can also mean a lot of different shapes. Where are they going to sail? Around the islands. In a harbor. A lake. A river. We don"t know shit yet.
  5. Transpac 2017

    While Comanche out moneyed The monos for what is a record only a few Transpac's ago they would not have been allowed to race (It exceeded the rating cap for the barn door trophy) They had one competitor. While they sailed a good race, in '98 we did it on Merlin in Pac Cup less than a day off their pace. So they were not pressed that hard. Just a nice steady wind and solid race for them. Cool boat though and if there is no limit to future Transpac's there record will eventually fall to someone with more money and a bigger penis extension. So I can understand the comments or sentiments on the front page. The second best racing (behind the Multis) is the race between all the 70's and 52's. Good close racing! Watching this race I feel I was born 30 years to soon.
  6. Northland. So many great choices for a venue (Bay of Islands for one). Winnie's always on about how depressed the economy is and this may give an opportunity to develop the region into something more. The weather along the east coast of Northland is is the best in the country, still has good wind and doesn't have the congestion of Auckland. Yet its only 2 to 3 hours away from Auckland. Race village infrastructure would be easier to come by than Auckland and there could be a lot more vantage points for a common low wage person to view racing. Martin Tasker and Peter Lester on the trany, Beach towel, umbrella and chilly bin I'm in.
  7. Team NZ

    Kiwis vs the world! it's great to have Nationalistic pride but there is little of it now except for maybe ETNZ. This is probably the closest thing to a pure NZ boat sponsored by the private sector and not our government. While OR and TJ were built in Warkworth NZ by some of my mates and are providing prosperity to our area, there is little significance to a national team in regards to native born citizens on the boats or in owning the boats. This is corporation against corporation. While I think of OR as the bad guys. I pull for them because they are my mates who work down the road building the best boat they can to win a regatta. Why do they fly country flags on these boats? Does it matter any more? On the other hand I love everything about ETNZ, and having at least 5 Kiwis on the boat is nearly nationalistic isn't it? I can't get enthused about any of the other teams but at least these three teams are good for our country's (and area's) economy, my family and a lot of others here. I know a lot of us all feel pride for TNZ because we turn up with something special and some damn good sailors almost every time. Times have changed! I think no matter who wins or lose, this Cup is going to be some of the best inshore racing any of us have ever seen. The technology is purely awesome.
  8. Daggers and weather helm....

    I have been running the 12's with almost 0 rake on my boat for the last 18 years. They work the best between 11 and 14 kts boat speed which is our upwind or very close reaching speed. We run with 1 board down and one up upwind and the boat is perfectly balanced even when reefed. If the jib is not up the balance all goes to shit! The boards length and rudder arrangement have changed over the years and are pretty optimal now for our conditions which are on the windier side in New Zealand. The boards are in direct alignment with the rudders. We have snapped 2 sets of boards with both boards down so we learned the hard way to keep one up pretty much all the time. We may suffer a little bit with upwind performance at times when its lighter but as soon as we are moving at our optimum speed we seem to leave everything our size behind. Shape, fairness and stiffness seems to be pretty important to how slippery the boat feels. We pull the boards up by rope handles on top of the boards. At 8 kts plus 1 board is very hard to get up when they are both down. That's in 4 to 6 kts of wind so in anything over that wind speed one is up.
  9. mondo bondage

    A reunion sail with the Freight Train team? Let me sit back and take a big puff and reflect. Maybe you should have stepped all the way back to a Cal 29 or a Dolphin 24, Wait I think I have lost my mind as well. Seriously though good luck with the project!. Someday we have some serious shit to talk about hopefully it will not be when were back in diapers. Cheers to old boats!!!
  10. Team NZ

    We were right next to the boat less than 40ft so close enough to hear their boat, not much if any hum like I hear on the web or tv when the other ones are foiling. The boat looks different as in it is a very aero package with the boys in a tucked down aero team time trial position (cycling terminology)with aero helmets. The helmsman is low down in the boat as well. Not like the 72's where guys are upright on grinders and helmsman and tactician were standing up in the wind. On to something being so streamlined? Yep.
  11. Team NZ

    We took our cat down to Auckland on Thursday for the Route 66 Coastal race and unintentionally motored up through the course TNZ had set up. it was quite a spectacle. First thing we noticed was the boat sailing bow down all the time and the windward hull occasionally scooping or touching the water. The cyclist were all head down with areo helmets like in a Team time trial in the Tour De France, very areo! They sailed within 40 ft of us at speed and there was no noise or hum from any appendages. driver I assume Burling was at the wheel and was also down and areo as they flew by he gave a shaka bra hand sign to us and it made our day. almost every tack they made was a foiling tack. All jibes were foiling. The boat looked awesome and very different from any of the other AC boats currently sailing. The chase boats that followed them around were equally impressive, 3 boats, RIBs with 4 300 hp motors and heaps of people on them photogs, journos and god knows who else. Looked like an expensive exercise. This was as close as any of us will ever be to a cup boat and was truly a special delivery/day for all of us on board. Gives me hope we can be in with a chance.
  12. RIP Victor Stern

    I had some very good arguments with Vic and I didn't agree with his ideals on so many levels but I respect him for standing fast and for doing what he thought was right for him and ORCA. After butting heads since the first days that I bought a multi (1999) he was the edge of my envelope, the last bastion for old school thoughts on what a multi could and could not do racing in Southern California. I suppose he tempered my behavior and gave me pause as to how far I could take my ideas. Since leaving Southern California 12 years ago we have been given a chance to race our multi to places and distances I had only dreamed of since I first held a multi tiller. Consistently in wind and waves only seen but a few times a year in Southern California. Maybe I will die at the tiller but at least I am enjoying the chance of doing it. I have no love loss but did have respect for his ideals when I was new to the game. I will now pull his letters out of my files burn them and spread them off the back of my boat while doing 25+kts and the leeward hull is underwater. May he eternally sail the way he wants. Good on you Victor Stearn. RIP
  13. Square top main?

    I have a 36 ft racing Catamaran with a 51' mast. I am also looking to put a square top main on my boat with a tides marine system track and cars. Reefing is an important factor in overall performance as it's usually windy and a quick way to reef is important. Does anyone have any experience with this type of set up?
  14. Merlin at 75 mph

    The John Spencer designed Infidel renamed Ragtime was the first and original down wind maxi in California. Bill came down to the Cal Yacht Club when we were sailing Ragtime in the Cal Cup. I forget the year might have been 1975. Bill took the measurements of Ragtime at the dock and proceeded to build Merlin "there is a whole story there". Bill made a better boat. I sailed both boats over the years, Transpac's, Mexican races local regattas etc. Merlin in both configurations. While Merlin didn't have the same look after modifications it was much faster with the canting keel Than the original. We did the Pac Cup in 6 1/2 days on Merlin, a good run in any ones book. I have always respected Bill lee and have owned his and other Santa Cruz area designs. In Santa Cruz they just got the whole idea of FAST IS FUN. Merlin is back where it should be and no mater what Bill does with it I am really happy for him and all the people that have put there love and hard work into it over the years. I always loved the original look and feeling of Merlin but after the modifications were made it was a stiffer structure. The new cabin was always a compromise as the Texan who bought it had to have headroom with his cowboy hat on all the way forward. He didn't know shit about sailing and blew a lot of money following a dream he had. It didn't turn out so good for him but now the boat is back where it should be and hopefully back in the hands of the talented people that can recreate the Magic . I wish Bill all the best in getting Merlin back on the water and hope he continues to inspire all of us.
  15. Santa Barbara to King Harbor Race today- Wx

    Awesome job on the race Randy. Hope you do it again. That race is such a fun race and perfect for your type of boat. I would like to ask you how did you get past the headroom and accommodation requirements. We struggled with the requirements on our NACRA 36 when we were sailing in California. We finally had to add some cabins after a lot of drama and running the race illegally a coupla times and pissing a few of the cruising multi sailors off. They thought we shouldn't be able to race "off shore near coastal" on a "beach cat". Whatever... Good on you for getting it done!