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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. So here is the official answer. Marine And Safety Tasmania investigation into close quarters situation between Ronja Huon and SBSC.
  2. Just catching up with this thread and thought I'd share a bit of inside knowledge about Seb's rant. This was no off-the-cuff, sleep-deprivation caused slip up. Seb had planned this for a long time, well at least as long ago as his stop in Port Esperance, Tasmania where he told me what he planned to say. He was seriously pissed off that Vincent Riou had made statements about the amateurs in the slow boats, arguing that they didn't deserve to be in the race. That's what made Seb so determined to finish, because Riou hadn't. His point being that Riou had only finished one race, and failed to finish three, so maybe the win was just luck! Yes, it was sarcasm but it was also anger. And Riou in his response to Seb's rant, could not acknowledge that maybe his comments were what prompted Seb's outburst, merely condescendlingly asserting that Seb was sleep-deprived. My point exactly You should hear this as well, great tribute to Riou and Le Cam from Destremeau https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o326BkcShpU&feature=youtu.be Sarcasm? Fake news? Not sure what tribute means here, as his position is far from that. He seems to say Riou only won because of a problem with Desjoyeaux (?) and out of 4 Vendee Globes has only finished one. As for Le Cam, he doesn't exist and not worth mentioning his name. He even says it is about time Riou tried doing something other than the Vendée Globe and Le Cam is someone he doesn't want to know. Sarcasm, this is SA after all. Destremeau said that beind 2nd or last is the same thing, that Riou won on a 'misunderstanding' and that Le Cam is a Nobody. As Tabarly said "If you can't spend 124 days at sea, tired and hungry and come back polite or silent, don't go sailing.."
  3. Just off the south coast of Tasmania welcoming Seb Destremau as he heads to Port Esperance for repairs.
  4. Putting the race experience into perspective: https://www.facebook.com/TheNewExaminer/posts/1342648672423968:0
  5. No Such Thing As A Fish - weird facts by the guys who do the research for QI. James Bonding - two mates bonding over discussions of James Bond movies.
  6. Yeah it was epic, he ate salmon I had some cheese. There were some crackers involved. Brilliant!! It shows what could have been done if loose cannons from a number of clubs hadn't gone running to the media and started all this shit. It was a great night. Two salmon companies were present. One chose not to attend. A lot of information was shared. Most questions from yacht clubs related to radio frequencies and cage towing operations. ROV video footage was shown of the sea floor under salmon farming operations. And the biggest issue was that farm leases were not accurately marked on paper or electronic charts. The companies were surprised by this and agreed to take this up with MAST, AMSA etc who's responsibility is to get these things right. And the quote of the night. From the Commodore of one of the clubs present (words to this effect, not an actual quote) "As long as they're marked on the charts correctly then that's all good. We can all navigate around fish farms." And I ate Snoopy's share of the salmon. With the honey dill mustard sauce. It was fucking delicious. Even considering that I'd had three types of hot smoked salmon, salmon dip, ocean trout dip, standard cold-smoked, whisky-cured cold smoked, and honey-cured salmon for lunch.
  7. That's correct mate. It's nothing to do with fish farms. But not necessarily to do with bad decisions being made on the water at the time. A board member of the DSS has asked on social media as to why the SBSC didn't contact Hobart Port Control in the morning to ascertain shipping movements as, he stated the DSS and RYCT do? TasPorts have released the media release as detailed above. Huon Aquaculture (lessees of the ship but not operators of it) have said it was a pilotage exemption exercise whereby the ship had to stick to an approved passage plan. Solvtrans, the Norwegian owners/operators of the ship have made no comment. So, with the information we have here: Now just maybe, for a ship visiting a port, on a pilotage exercise, with a pilot on board flying Code Flag H (as stated by TasPorts), or not on board (as alleged by observers) and restricted in manoeuverability, the skipper is unexpectedly faced with a fleet of sailing dinghies (Who was he to know they were kids? I know that many of them were adults). What does he do? Unexpectedly alter course and change his passage plan? Or assert his rights and responsibilities under the Colregs and authority of the pilotage flag, contact all stations on VHF, sound 5 short blasts and maintain course and speed (stand on)? What would you answer on your coxswain's exam? I have 9 students being examined by AMSA for Cowswains Grade 1 next week. They could be asked the same question.
  8. Media Release: Monday 31 October 2016 – Media Comment Ronja Huon The Tasmanian Ports Corporations (Tasports) initial internal review into the actions and communications of the Ronja Huon while under pilotage on the 29th of October indicates that the relevant Tasports, MAST and international maritime regulations and protocols were followed. The harbour limits for the port of Hobart extend from the northern extremity of Bruny Island across to the southern tip of Betsy Island (including all waters in the D’Entrecasteaux Channel) through to just north of the Bowen Bridge. This zone includes the area where numerous Derwent River yacht clubs run races throughout their respective seasons. Tasports and MAST have worked hard to create awareness and understanding in the sailing community regarding the rules, regulations and best practice procedures for planning race courses and managing recreational craft in commercial shipping areas. The number one objective of these rules is to ensure the safety of personnel and assets. The Ronja Huon has a length overall of 75.8m vessel with a gross tonnage of 3566, the ability to quickly manoeuvrer such a vessel is a key reason why it is essential for recreational craft to strictly adhere to maritime safety regulations. A vessel under pilotage, such as the Ronja Huon was, has right of way over all other craft in the vicinity. Marine safety is everyone’s business, on a busy day such as the Derwent River experienced on Saturday, it is up to all parties to ensure that clear and proactive communication is delivered, risks are appropriately managed and informed and objective decision making is in place. It is clear that there is still work to be done to ensure that awareness of relevant procedures and protocols are in place so that commercial shipping can be consistently and safely accommodated on the Derwent River. Alex McKeand | Manager Communications Tasmanian Ports Corporation T 6222 6023 | M 0437 030 330
  9. We are spoilt in Hobart. We have it too good as a venue for sailing with so little shipping traffic that we make the mistake of assuming that it is our playground and ours alone. Sail for a while in Port Phillip in Melbourne or Corio Bay in Geelong, let alone Sydney Harbour and you get a rude shock. At Geelong race week sailors are advised (by VHF or briefings on land) when ships will be entering the channel and port, and races are scheduled and located accordingly to avoid contact. If the ship wasn't engaged in a previously announced and arranged pilotage exemption exercise then sure, it could have altered course at its discretion. As it is, it seems that TasPorts (which was in control of the exercise) advised sailing clubs well in advance, and the SBSC could have used its discretion to locate its course out of the proposed exercise. Even so, as quoted in the Mercury article: "A spokesman for TasPorts said one of its pilots boarded the Ronja Huon and “adhered to maritime procedure and protocol during the transit of the Derwent River including display of the pilot flag at all times that he was on board’’. He said recreational and commercial craft were made aware of the Ronja Huon’s movements on the public VHF channel." And it is a bit disappointing that Mr Tiedemann, paid manager of the DSS (ie an employee, not a board member), after previously saying that discussions of concern with salmon companies should be behind closed doors and not played out in the media, has done exactly that. And with the authority of the board? And anyway, shouldn't it be officials of the SBSC making the complaint?
  10. In the light, heat up before the gybe to put some pressure on the sheet, then blow the sheet as you come into the gybe. That should blow the knot past the forestay before you sheet on as you pass through dead down wind.Makes the gybe faster as well. We now use a tapered Etchells kite sheet. It makes the bowlines smaller, but the aforementioned technique worked fine on the T7 with 8mm sheets. Time spent practicing well-helmed and well-trimmed gybes will be better off in the long run than time spent on perfecting soft-shackles and alternative sheet attaching techniques.
  11. He wasn't. I didn't know Shorty but I'd met both Sal and Hicko and I worked with Hicko's sister. I have the honour to have my name on the William Jackson Memorial Cup along with that of Hicko's father Jim who won it with Bronzewing back in the 1950's. Roger reckoned he was on board at the time, at about 2 years of age.
  12. Geeze show some compassion ,the offshore racer boys don't have a good record with navigating around obstructions , it wasn't that long ago that Shockwave had strife navigating around a F@@@@@ Islet. You are seriously out of order you low life fuckwit scum. Show some respect areshole. This is the Ocean Racing thread. Sal and Hicko have many friends here. Fuck off to whatever gutter you crawled out of.
  13. I've been rescued by handily on-the-spot fish farm boats twice. Either you always boat around fish farms (unhealthy fascination maybe?) or you aren't coming clean on how many times in total you have actually been rescued. Probably best to step away from the water now, and leave watery matters like fish farm/boat interactions to people that understand. Namely RYCT. This is where I sail and work. Each one of those red rectangles is a marine farm. Never run into one yet. The RYCT is 35 nautical miles away from my home club PESC, but of course the RYCT and you would know best wouldn't you? You know nothing mate. Leave the debate to locals who actually know these waters. No one gives a rat's about your WA, NT, FNQ experiences. Not relevant. OYF.
  14. Yep, that's his philosophy. And his most famous work, Well Hung Lover, was a spit in the eye to the Bristol City Council who wanted to banish all his works back in the day. He painted it on a building across the road. Guess what, now it's an official Bristol City tourist attraction,http://visitbristol.co.uk/things-to-do/banksy-grafitti-well-hung-lover-p1870753 Don't pay money to see great street art. Pay money to visit the cities where it exists in the raw.
  15. I have no conflict of interest. I'm a sailor, member of two yacht clubs (neither of which is the RYCT) and not employed or sponsored by an aquaculture company. I'm not even on the committee of my primary yacht club, the major sponsor of which is an aquaculture company (and a major competitor of Tassal the "offending" company in question). My area of expertise is aquaculture but hey, if commenting on your area of expertise is a conflict of interest then the whole "expert commentator" concept goes out the window. Might as well just let everyone's emotion and, "ill-informed" opinion have more weight. There you go Snoopy, someone arguing that contrary to your point, ill-informed opinion might be actually more important. And as the whole point of this thread is the impact of fish farms on navigation how could any conflict of interest even come into play? You can either navigate around them or you can't. I haven't run into one yet. Not in a Sabre dinghy, Adams 10, J24, Mumm 30, Mirror Dinghy, NS14, 12' Skiff, Adams 40 or Thompson 7, let alone numerous power operated vessels. In daylight, at night, in 10/10th's fog, 0 knots to 50 knots, rain or hail. I've been rescued by handily on-the-spot fish farm boats twice. Once in a power boat with engine failure, once in an NS14 in 35 knots where my young crew member was close to hypothermic. Oh, you've got me there, a fish farm worker saved my crew. There's my conflict of interest!