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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
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      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.


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  1. too complicated but it looks so right! http://tugster.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/aaaawr.jpg
  2. This is practical... http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/14259440/sn/798809228/name/n_a
  3. What I heard from the Freedom sailor side is exactly what DDW mentions about complexity. The wishbone wraparound sails were great when you needed 100% but hard to reef and not well suited for the new more durable but also stiffer sail cloth. The world does go around, even for those who wish to stop it ;-) maybe someone will invent flexible sailcloth that is dimensionally stable so we can try those things again.
  4. I found an article that show that metal wire stays are so passe that is would be embarrassing to be seen using them: http://www.unols.org/publications/winch_wire_handbook__3rd_ed/03_synthetic_fiber_ropes.pdf from the University-National Oceanographic Laboratory System RI - they have other interesting papers. I also saw some posts on a 4x4 bulletin board that mentioned that getting hit by a broken metal winch cable was pretty ugly, whereas the synthetic lines merely gave you a lashing (lashings and pain make you a better sailor, right?)
  5. The concept is covered by Sailing Theory and Practice by C.A. Marchaj-published by Dodd, Mead and Co - I do not have the book (yet). There is a posting here on the subject: http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/sailboats/rotating-wing-mast-theoretical-discussion-14714.html I tried it on my Freedom 21 which you see in the picture I posted above. My first try was best because the sail would "fall out" in line with the backside of the mast. As I tried to rig better control lines the sail pulled more behind the mast and the benefits were reduced. This was disappointing but it is consistent with theory. I think simplicity is essential for success so the Van der Stadt method is fine for expensive boats but overkill for affordable production boats - the benefits are real but I only think they are sufficiently important on a cat-rig or racing sloop ti build is as complicated as that. I have been toying with a design for a triangular mast where the sail track and boom move from side to side so here it is: For the heck of it I included a public domain copyright statement - does that make me an anarchist? A sliding sail track would work on small boats - a forward hinged sail track would probably be necessary on big boats to manage the forces
  6. DSS like stability systems have been in widespread use for years on motor vessels. I first saw it in the '60 on large car ferries where it helped by keeping the passengers from puking all over. The Costa Concordia has it - maybe that's what the captain tore off to get enough impact to overwhelm the bulkheads? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/14/article-2086527-0F75B20E00000578-975_964x494.jpg Some years ago we sailed in 25-30 kt and pretty big waves. I was with a friend on his Cal 30-3 and another friend was on his Westerly 29' Konsort DUO - it was impossible for us to go as fast or point as high as the Westerly, one keel was pointed straight down and the other showed it shoulder occasionally acting much like a stabilizer http://falmouth.boat...%20Boatshed.com Comparing the Konsort Duo with the Quant28 you will see that on the Westerly one keel is pretty much pointed straight down at normal heeling angles while the "upper" keel is more likely to be in the water than on a Quant28 http://www.boatdesig...50-port-aft.jpg - both are fighting the extra wetted surface. It would be great to see something more practical come from all of this. Maybe twin keels weighed with a heavy liquid (Mercury?) that could be pumped to the windward side when needed.
  7. BV you are right I know little about racing, I usually sail alone. In the Apostle Islands on Lake Superior where I sail now the racers actually hold "drifting contests" every year by scheduling their race-week during July when the wind is feeble, that hasn't help me understand any better. On a positive note here's an example of a more "modern" suit for a Freedom 33 cat ketch. <a href='http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/14259440/sn/798809228/name/n_a' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://xa.yimg.com/k...809228/name/n_a</a> here's another (earlier) more radical English built Freedom 35 cat ketch - I seem to remember it was implemented by a Dutch sailmaker/rigger. <a href='http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EHxCT4ecEOpLf9E7femTRPSqkUo7IaM1wgQQLV5vqL0mZyihrZ6EN1J8iJeig1ktAOScqQQFDbQodJjm-iUY5yznqFkTz0gSQg/Sail%20plan%20F35%20G10%20type%20Rev%2001.ppt' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://f1.grp.yahoof...%20Rev%2001.ppt</a> I hope the links work......
  8. If this is still about unstayed rigs let me add a few diversions, in no particular order. The disadvantage of the unstayed rig is NOT weight - it is excess bending - which when compensated for with a large diameter tube equals weigh. The corresponding disadvantage of a stayed rig is windage from mast AND wires, the power of which you hear in any marina when the wind pipes up. The advantage of unstayed rigs is that you can give the sail the shape you want, including a big powerful roach AND the right twist on both points of sail. The corresponding disadvantage of a stayed rig is that you end up with most of the sailarea on the deck and little pointy pieces at the top (researchers says the crab claw is the most efficient). Another advantage of the unstayed rig is that you can turn turn the sail in the direction you want and use lift on a almost all points of sail. This is impossible on a stayed rig which is why they invented beer can races that mostly go upwind so no one will notice this. The (first) disadvantage of the cat-rig on an unstayed mast is not lack of weatherliness, it is that the mast is in the way of the front edge of the sail. You need a clean edge to get upwind not necessarily a backstay . The stayed rig can carry a headsail on a wire that helps guide the wind around a less efficient mailsail hiding behind a "not quite so big" mast (that still sucks). The second (rig independent) disadvantage of the cat-rig is that the center of effort changes with trim - this means you have to have the courage to give it a decent rudder - if you don't it will round up (Duh!) This does not have anything to do with stays and a lot to do with where you place the sticks (as Tanton has demonstrated and explained). However with stays you have to put the stick in the middle of the boat in order to be able to hold it up (middle of the boats, pointy inefficient upside down sails, whistling at night ....... ) These factors make unstayed rigs impractical and unsuitable for people who are not comfortable with anything outside the norm - and this particularly applies to people who are uncomfortable experiment with new and old technologies - or beer can racers who have to live by "The Mans" rules. There are fortunately many cool things the rest of us can play with: An old trick previously known as Gaf-Rings move the sail back from the mast and opens a slot that research has demonstrated increases sail efficiency - this help improve the efficiency of the sail behind the mast. Gaf-Rings slide real nice on unstayed masts - even all the way to the top! Others have used different spacer of modern materials. It works. The Van der Stadt boom is an example of how you can move the sail curve to the lee of the mast - doing so improves sail efficiency significantly. This can be done with or w/o stays. It works. A proper sail with full battens can provide a huge roach which can be nicely twisted in or out at will with the properly rigged boom or wishbone. It works. Unstayed masts can be flexible which means they wont break when you fall off the waves - and they bend in gusts although I am not convinced it spills as much air as it keeps them from breaking. It works. Mast shape, bend and curve is totally free-style with unstayed masts as long as it holds up and stays up. I really want to try this. Solen, I confess, I sailed a quick little freestanding mast cat rigged boat for 20+ years, and whenever I made an update, she rewarded me instantly.