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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. 1 All my designs have been extremely well proven ,over the decades of successful ocean cruising with zero serious structural failures at sea. What designs? 30 year old sketches.. 2) His boats are strong.. (Dis proven by MOM) Strong, proven by a single season passage thru the NW passage , 16 days of pounding on Baja lee shore, pounding across 300 yards of Fijian coral reef dragging back across the same reef in big surf, blowing ashore in the Mozambique channel in a hurricane, colliding with a freighter in Gibraltar, T boning steel barge at hull speed, several circumnavigations, all without serious dammage. Yet MOM simply drys out and looks like my beer can after being stepped on.. this does not makes sense... 3) His boats are cheap.. ( Yes cheaply designed, but not cheap to outfit and sail) 3 You are saying that my instructions for how to build blocks for $2 instead of $40, a 540 GPD watermaker for under $1,000 instead of $10K composting head for under $550 instead of $1,000, furler for under $150 , hatches for under $20, Anchor winch for under $75, wind vane for under $50 and reducing the building time for the average amateur by 90%, doesn't cut costs? Yes thats exactly what I am saying... When you finish with a BS boat you have blown a huge amount of time/cash and have a sailboat that in all aspects will not have good resale value. Your current designs do not have appeal to most cruisers, no appeal no resale value. No resale value= SLAVE to the boat. 4) His boats sail well.. (yup.. with the huge speed bumps under the waterline I think that IOR boats had less bumps) 4 Read my quote of Paul on "Opus" us who has been cruising the SW Pacific for decades on his 36 ft brentboat for decades. Sure... I read it and am unimpressed. Come on look at the boat out of the water.. not even a pregnant whale has curves like that. Brent Go and Draw. Before I saw this thread I thought that your boats when not my cup of tea were kind of cool, and I thought that you were a designer. Now, not so much. Please prove me wrong and do a new design.. No more BS about the old ones.. its time to start drawing again. As for Perfect 30 years ago.. come on.. you can lie to me but not to yourself.
  2. Ok Brent I would imagine the above is a very simple starting point for most cruisers today.. YET your boat makes non of them. If you are such a great designer then go and design. I have been told that you CANT I asked and pleaded with you to prove everybody wrong. But the bottom line here is that you have proven everybody right... Then you regurgitate the same stuff over and over again. If your boats are so strong why did MOM get damaged so badly?
  3. Smack.. At this point i am confused as to what point brent is making.. 1) He is a Designer.. ( Not proven) 2) His boats are strong.. (Dis proven by MOM) 3) His boats are cheap.. ( Yes cheaply designed, but not cheap to outfit and sail) 4) His boats sail well.. (yup.. with the huge speed bumps under the waterline I think that IOR boats had less bumps) 5) You can live cheap .. Ok he does have this point, but to what end. If he would put out some good design work than he has a chance at redemption. But regurgitating the same tired old design that clearly does not fit most of the true cruisers.. Umm. Again I am confused.
  4. Bob, What boats you designed would be SLOWER than brents boat? I am struggling to find one perry boat that would be slower than a BS boat.
  5. Brent is eating ice cream again.. and not designing...
  6. Surviving weeks of pounding on a lee shore and decades of trouble free cruising, is definitely "solid evidence" of structural strength ,far more so than theory based calculations on a piece of paper.... Did I not see MOM with a totally buckled hull.. Hmm sounds like BS to me.
  7. Let see brent.. It does not have a reverse transom, does not have a pilot house with a reasonable sight line, does not have a bulb keel and does not have 3 state rooms. so you are zero for 4.. and its not very pretty.. so no extra bonus points.
  8. It does not meet any of the above criteria.
  9. Once again BRENT WAKE UP... BOB CAN DO THIS... Can you???
  10. I just shot my coffee out of my nose at this one.. Brents Model "T" of boats ( and that is being very nice) ... being touted as "Far Better".. followed by some chest thumping. Come on Brent get serious..
  11. Brent,, any thing new of us?? If you are a designer they you design boats.. DRAW BRENT DRAW
  12. Yes Bob, I think where Brent Swain is confused is the word "Sails" To him that means the triangle shaped things that are hoisted with the cheapest stretchy rope available at Canadian tire. These triangle things go up and flap about until you use the other stretchy rope to stop the flapping and make the boat heel over. And for Brent I am sure that the amount of Heel directly correlates to the forward velocity. For you and me, Sails have a totally different meaning, more on a airfoil that makes lift... and... yes I can see brent has just tuned out.. its all Blah Blah from here on... Im tired of Brent.. Nothing new.. nothing innovative.. Before I saw this thread I thought that some of his ideas were cool.. now I just think that they are outdated and poorly executed.
  13. So another day and another and again nothing new from Brent. Yes again he says bob is overcharging... yet cannot deliver the simplest of sketches to us. BRENT DRAW
  14. Yes Brent I bought 3 jibs/genoas off of him.. That was 4 years ago. Today the all are toast. Used sails are great as stop gap, but for real sail shape or longevity not so much. It all depends on what you want. I want simple that is fast and I am not carting them back to the loft every other week.
  15. your 36 does not work for 99% of the world cruisers as you have been shown. And its all really old tech, things change.... and improve. Are we driving around for model "T"(s)... I dont think so.. I rather like power wipers, heated seats and a radio that works. ( in addition to allot of other things) So Brent really if you are truly a designer then you need to pony up.. DRAW!!!! PUT DOWN THE STRAWBERRY ICE CREAM... You can do new.. you can do better. BOB does every single day.. so show the us you can too...