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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.

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  1. I don't think that getting it done professionally will make sense financially. I don't mind spending a bit of time on it, I like fixing boats. I've already faired a hull but it was strip planking (so no gelcoat just epoxy and paint) hence the numpty questions. The boats was bought for very little money, I can afford to get it wrong but if I were to spend real money on it, I would buy new hulls!
  2. How much time do you reckon to sand a hobie cat 16 hull? Would you just add gelcoat in the damaged areas (mainly underneath from cowboy style beaching) or just redo the whole hulls?
  3. You actually just need 2 things : WD 40 to unblock things that don't move but should grey tape, to stop things that do move but shouldn't OK, may be I've spent to much time as a bowman.
  4. You can always go for the twin canting keel option I don't think that it ver got much traction!!!
  5. It is just a "dériveur intégral" with some external ballast to protect the grp from being scratched while drying out. The centreboard must be quite light (not a lifting keel), thus they didn't need the worm gear mechanism. Joubert & Nivelt used to desgin really nice boats, I have put many miles on a Gib sea 372 (same yard, same architect, a bit older, similar hull but with a fin keel, single ruder and a tiller) and we loved it apart from a few niggles.
  6. Westerly centaur keels are cast iron.
  7. It really depends how shallow your waters are but if you follow this logic, a wing keel isn't shoal draft either. Boats are compromise. if you take the example of one of the most built French twin keel, the RM 10.50, it is 10.5 m (34ft 6 inches) long for a draft of 1.6m (5ft 3 inches). Most "equivalent" 34 footers will draw more in the standard fin keel version, you might get a shoal draft version with or without wings but draft will also be around 5 feet and the boat will nearly always be slower than a well designed twin keel version. So to finish if you want a boat that can sail at a decent pace long distances and access areas where there is just 6ft of water (most would call this shallow), the RM is a good compromise that will work better than many 34 footers, be resilient and straightforward to use thanks to its simplicity even if it is much slower than a stripped out racer and much deeper than a cat with centreboards up. On the other hand, if you want to access a beach without a dinghy or win the Fastnet, well yes it is useless, but the wing keel would also be useless for these applications...
  8. Yes, I meant "turbine HVLP". So short of using compressed air, what would you recommend? Apply it with a roll and sand it?
  9. Twin keels are shallow draft without need for moving appendage that perform very well upwind for their draft and are OK downwind.
  10. Yes I can see your point about "racing pedigree" and I think that it is one reason why twin keels aren't more prevalent in France even if good designs are on offer. Going aground in mud or sand with a twin keeler at low tide is a non event, you just wait a bit for the tide to go up. Going aground with a falling tide while it is still high is annoying because the traditional trick of heeling quickly the boat doesn't work so you either manage to back the boat very quickly or you are stuck for a few hours. But then at least you are stuck upright. The very worst thing that you can do is getting stuck at very high tide while tides are going toward a neap tide... In the very worst case scenario it means no sailing for a few weeks (even 6 months if daft enough to do it on equinox day) but then common sense should stop you from taking this kind of risks an hour before and after high tide of a spring tide...
  11. Do the cheapish self contain HVLP guns work for this ? I can afford to end up with an average finish as it is just to make an old Hobie 16 sail again and hopefully pick up a skill along the way. I don't want to buy a big compressor. If somebody can point out to a good technical document explaining the process, that would be useful. Wen it comes down to DIY, I am more of a wood epoxy guy so I am a bit out of my depth here.
  12. IMHO, it is a shame that people who buy new boats don't consider twin keels so often. Because you can take the ground, draft is less critical as long as you sail in tidal waters, it is still lower draft than a fin keel, performance is better than with a centreboard or a wing keel.
  13. Yes, I think that getting it right is quite hard. During the plywood era good designers were producing much better boats.
  14. Chines are fast, they give you extra righting moment at low angles. RM is power. They also stiffen the hull. Adding chines to composite hulls has been going on for a while now.
  15. @Tentimes, the discussion got derailed after more than 30 posts, not too bad to local standards.