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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Boat with the soft spots on deck is sold, one more used Aero will go on site in a day or so.
  2. ^^^ Our first one is in a container about 2 weeks out, intro price is $4995, and imagine it will be +$1000 nicely equipped.
  3. Feva Worlds will be in Florida April 2018. Imagine there will be 60-80 Fevas available for sale after the event at discounted prices. So far this year, we've sold around 20 Fevas to racing programs out here. It's growing nice and steadily.
  4. Another RS700 will shortly be blasting around SF Bay.
  5. sorry, Go For The Gold is this weekend, I get confused http://www.rsaerosailing.org/index.asp?p=event&eid=1388
  6. Had 8 at ABYC last weekend. Looks like 9-10 Aeros on the water this coming weekend at LYSA
  7. 5 Aeros signed up for Memorial Day at ABYC already. Marc Jacobi is flying out to sail the event and do an informal clinic too.
  8. What? We've got a custom trailer with 8 Aeros/dollies/covers and all rigs. It's going to be driving to events to create an 'instant regatta' Why? Everyone has heard of the boat by now, but we've got lots of people on the fence with the 'where are the fleets' excuse. So, we're going to take the boats to them. We've got almost 30 people looking to get into the fleet, now it's time to show the boat off to these folks. When / Where? See the list below. Who Anyone interested in seeing the Aero is welcome! The Goal? Show people what an amazing boat the Aero is, and get them involved and talking to owners about the boat. WEST COAST AERO TOUR LYSA / Lake Yosemite - May 20/21 Memorial Day / ABYC - May 27/28 Go For The Gold / Scotts Flatt Lake - June 3/4 Summer Sailstice / Encinal YC - June 24 Pacific Coast Championships - August 18-20 **more dates to be announced** Sounds fun, what now??! Have a friend who wants to get a ride? Know some folks that are looking for the next boat? It's super easy - just reserve a boat for the event you want online! Charter Boat Reservations $150 covers everything for the entire weekend - everything included someone needs to get on the water.
  9. We're at 100 Aeros on the west coast already. We'll be hitting a bunch of venues from Bay Area to SoCal this summer with 8x Aeros for charter and demo. Details coming along shortly.
  10. I think statements like this are fairly backwords looking. (these notes are US specific) It's one data point, but, there are 30 RS Aeros in Seattle, and it basically completely replaced the Laser fleet for local racing. (There are still plenty of Lasers around there, but, the top guys for the most part all switched to the Aero) Also, what you will likely see (as much as US based sailors cringe at the idea, is a general acceptance over the next 3-5 years of Portsmouth or some handicapped racing of multiple designs. The dinghy market is simply too fragmented now, with too many options, too many companies importing boats for us to ever go back to the old One Design or Nothing way of life. We'll simply never get back to the days of a manufacturer selling 1000+ a year one design race boats in the US. The future (like it or not) will be mixed fleet racing with technology (likely your phone), doing real time handicapping. Then everyone can race whatever they want/suits them best, instead of all of us on the internet arguing which one design is best. It will happen, the groundwork is being laid now. If you think any of the prevalent 40+ old one design classes are safe, you are just not paying attention. As sailing grows, that will just be less important to most new folks. Lasers won't go away, and it's still a great boat with a great fleet. But if you write off the Melges 14, Aero, or whatever J boat, just because a lot of people sail Lasers now.... you don't understand what's happening in the marketplace.
  11. There are ~30 Aeros in the Seattle area alone, and close to 100 on the west coast. Imagine that's why they didn't bother. (we're also far away from the rest of the world). That said, I've sailed the Melges 14, it's a pretty nice boat. Comfortable and roomy. I am sure they will sell 50-100 in the US, but, the market for a $9k singlehanded boat is fairly limited (trust me, I know, been there, attempted that). Even Aeros get up there in price when you add extra sails, lots of accessories. I am biased (sell lots of Aeros), my two main issues with the Melges 14 were a) sleeved sail? I can't for the life of me figure out how someone deals with that in big breeze. Lots of our customers struggle with the Laser mast in 15+ heavy. Now, I get it, the Aero is on the extreme end of light. But from a usability/car top/launching, every pound out of the boat helps. I liked sailing the Melges 14, and it's clear they know what they are doing, well balanced and fun...zero argument there. Limited to no dealers (that matters on a small boat, maybe not as much on a Melges 24), and a big lead from the competition. I can see them selling up to a 100 or so, but, it's a lot of coin, for a big dinghy. But, you never know, it says Melges on it, and that is worth something.
  12. 29er to Worlds?
  13. Hi RobbieB, got a bunch of orders in over the weekend for sails, but, we'll be numbering them up today (Monday) and have it on the way to you. Thanks for your order. I try to not be commercial on DA, but, we've got the stock, and folks want it, so, wanted to let people know we've got lots (finally!)
  14. Whatever the laws are regarding protection of intellectual property in hulls, they have proven to work. You can't go out and buy a knock-off Laser hull. While Intensity has come in to sell cheap sails, neither they nor anyone else has come in to sell cheap Laser knock-off hulls. If it were legally permissible to do so, then I presume that market forces would have brought such a knock-off hull manufacturer to the market by now. Knock-off/replica/copy Laser hulls are available. They have been making them in China (and south America) for a few years now IIRC. Link?? None needed, Jeffers is completely correct. Been to one of the factories myself.
  15. 'Entering the sport' is a bit vague, but I think I know what you mean. We've sold 80+ Aeros so far. Based on a quick scan of the customers, I'd recon about 25% are 'new' to dinghy sailing. That does *not* mean this is their first dinghy. But, they sailed 10,20,30 years ago, maybe as kids on a Hobie or something. Then had families, careers, etc. Nothing else excited them in the singlehanded, non-trap/non-spinnaker world, until the Aero. Again, 80 Aeros probably isn't a large enough sample size to say for sure, but it's a sizeable chunk that are getting an Aero to 'get back into the sport of sailing'.
  16. DTA - Mark should be able to provide you an Aero 9 sail for just over $800. (I show $840 as retail, but prices changed a little for 2017) Aero 7 is indeed $715. -- We have sold some of the other 'non-class legal' sails for other boats - still do on one model. They are uniformly average, nothing amazing. For a boat like the Aero, getting class legal equipment will make the experience a lot better for you. The newest generation of sails have had a few very minor changes, but customers have been getting good life out of them so far.
  17. Oh man, don't get me started on pricing issues. Usually this happens when a vendor uses a top-up pricing model. (ie, they take their cost, add a percent to it, and boom, retail). It is a fast, if rather strange, way to price something. That is what happens here. Helps dealers like us a bit, but also leads to some fairly weird prices for items. Life in the boat business..... (whoops, didn't see his reply, but scowlover basically nailed it)
  18. ^^^^ I usually avoid commercial messages here, that's not why I post here... but I get confused with sailors sometimes: Standard MkII sail - with numbers installed - $604.35 (on our website, you can find it if you want, I won't link it) We dispatch most sails (with numbers) in 24 hours.... We shipped out 14 Laser sails today to customers around North America. Shipping is free. I'm just curious what would have you pay more? Or why what Colie charges matters at all? Or other vendors that don't have stock either? Genuinely curious. I don't care where you buy your sail, but you certainly don't have to pay $650 - and you certainly don't have to wait (at least at the moment!)
  19. Got 100 more Laser sails in yesterday. This covers all backorders for now, but will not be enough for spring. 200+ more on order. Hope we have them this summer!!
  20. MkII batten set (tapered) are $64 Original battens (non tapered) are $32 (they are not interchangeable)
  21. 100+ more laser sails on the way here, should arrive in 3 days to satisfy more back orders.. 200 on order after those, so we should have enough stock for sailors for a few months. We're encouraging everyone to get orders in asap, as honestly, we don't know when we will be able to get more. So, buy now if you will want one for 2017. -- To Dogfish.... the 2017 price is $604.35. I have heard some dealers charging more because of no availability for 5 months or so, but $604.35 is the going price in general.
  22. Ok, north america is waking back up again. Approaching 30 Aeros in Seattle now. Planning on 7-8 out of Richmond here in February for demos and some racing and working on some SoCal plans as well.
  23. UPS driver wasn't too thrilled with us this morning... This is about ~1/3 of our total Laser Sails on order with LP. Everything you see is spoken for - but we are expectin for another similar shipment of 75 lasers sails in 2 weeks. UPS driver wasn't too thrilled with us this morning.
  24. I don't know any other dealers who ordered & pre-paid for anywhere close to the number of sails we did. Your point remains, the builder should have sails in stock. Both to support the class and to make money for themselves to stay in business supporting said class.
  25. We've got 75 Laser sails arriving next week (finally). They are all pre-sold at this point Expecting another batch of 75 to land at our warehouse early February. -- After that we'll try to bring in 50-100 at a time, working hard to build up stock for all summer long.