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Vee

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  1. Is A Melges 24 GOOD FOR RACING lis light air?

    Santana 20. Hands down will spank anything in light air. Viper 830 included. Edit. M24 sucks in light air. You wanna plane, not suck!
  2. Is it too early?

    Btw, I haven't done a N2E in maybe 20 years. Other than the boat, bus or spouse back what are the remaining transpo options?
  3. Is it too early?

    You ever been to ABYC or SDYC? 115 PHRF entrants at ABYC. I don't think so. Not even that many O/D. And SDYC not gonna happen.
  4. Is it too early?

    Too easy... SYD HOBART. WILL .. BE.. WINDY. But which part? Derwent could be a drifter!
  5. Older well known IOR Boats

    Plagiarism only goes so far. Not quite far enough for you though!
  6. Perhaps I should have stated where I am located - California - since insurance may be different elsewhere. In California the liability provisions of the policy is based on negligence/fault. Thinking on it more, how do you have a no fault liability policy - you cannot be liable for damages unless you are at fault. First of all, I am not an insurance expert. But, my understanding is that no-fault applies when two vehicles collide...each ins co pays for damages and injuries for the driver/vehicle they insure. In this case, there is no second vehicle. The owner/skipper of the boat is at fault, but there's no indication of negligence. He made a couple of wrong decisions, but it was simply a big fuckup, not negligence. There's no reason for his insurance not to cover the loss of the boat and the minor injuries within coverage limits.A big fuckup that doesn't rise to the level of negligence? I dont recall such a thing, and I got an A in Torts. Please enlighten us.If you swerve right to avoid a wreck, and should have swerved left, it's just a bad decision, not negligence. Boat owner was attempting to avoid the pier, there's alternative actions he could have taken, but it's not a situation where he did nothing. We don't know what happened prior to the video beginning, or the reason for dropping the main (and not re hoisting it), but it does appear they were trying to deal with jib issue until the end and likely thought they'd sort it out in time. I'm no lawyer, but I've been through enough deposition training to know, that when you start using phrases like "we don't know what happened prior...." or "the reason for", followed by phrases such as "likely thought". Well then, I think, you have left yourself open for a legal raping the likes of which you never even dreamt possible. But, this is sailing Anarchy and no one gets sued.............oh wait.
  7. +100 I'd love to give a blow by blow when we dismasted in the SB Channel (5 miles offshore in 20 to 25 w/big seas) There was plenty of neg on my part but with cool heads, we prevailed safely, as seen below January 2014, tails between our legs. and here we are lately, January 2017, winning. BOOYA Zap 26? Channel Islands Harbor? Dawg? Always had a soft spot for this boat.
  8. On the Rocks at Palos Verdes

    Joke about a lee shore until your crawling on your hands and knees off one. And it was not a joke Reading comprehension isn't your strong point!
  9. Doesn't that just make you a whore? You say that like there's something wrong with it!!! Certainly no worse than this fantastic armchair speculation based on phone cam video.
  10. You would be sued so quickly it would make you pivot around your 1 brain cell and then get you released from further insurance adjustment work . Pretty evident at the beginning of the vid, that they were not under power, nor had a jib unfurled and the main at boom level. Indicating a potential failure of the main halyard. Also, that the Martin 242 can be sailed easily under mainsail only, should not stop you from pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have little knowledge. You must be blind. The jib is clearly unfurled and luffing at the beginning of the video. It's pure speculation the main halyard broke...we don't know why the main is down. The boat is heading to the left, which appears to be a safe direction. They're well to windward of the pier, and look to be able to clear it and head towards deeper water. They never get the jib sorted out, but jibe around onto a course that heads towards being embayed...they can't get out unless they get the boat moving. They never get the jib trimmed. Skipper is holding the tiller hard to leeward...they are essentially hove-to, drifting sideways. No-one makes an effort to get out the anchor (if carried). The two crew in cockpit just sit there.Now, I agree it's not negligence. We don't know the full story, but the video appears to indicate they didn't know what they were doing. At no time does it show a good decision being made...quite the opposite, in fact. We'll have to see what their story is, but the video is what it is. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and estimate that Da burg is nowhere near a Martin242 fleet or Santa Monica Bay. Also, that there is no way one could say that jib is unfurled at the beginning of the vid. Unfurling maybe, but not unfurled. The reality of deploying an anchor on a 2,500 lb boat in 20TWS with a swell of considerable height, is, well.....Oh, and they are mandatory. I could go into the whole, I've sailed on the SM bay for soo many years and I've raced Martin 242's for more years than I care to remember, but really, "That would be a waste of time"! Haven't sailed a 242 that I recall.I built this: And a few others. Want pics of them too? Good for you, but other than stroking your ego, what would that achieve? Edit, Not sure of how this is relevant to the incident that occurred. Why is it relevent? Good question...you brought it up. I do in fact have much experience building and sailing 242 type boats, not to mention negotiating breaking inlets. There's my qualifications to comment on the incident, what are yours? 32 years sailing on Santa Monica Bay. Nearly ten years sailing the Martin 242 with the original class founder for Santa Monica Bay and over twenty five years servicing the Santa Monica Bay yacht racing community. Just a beginner really.
  11. You would be sued so quickly it would make you pivot around your 1 brain cell and then get you released from further insurance adjustment work . Pretty evident at the beginning of the vid, that they were not under power, nor had a jib unfurled and the main at boom level. Indicating a potential failure of the main halyard. Also, that the Martin 242 can be sailed easily under mainsail only, should not stop you from pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have little knowledge. You must be blind. The jib is clearly unfurled and luffing at the beginning of the video. It's pure speculation the main halyard broke...we don't know why the main is down. The boat is heading to the left, which appears to be a safe direction. They're well to windward of the pier, and look to be able to clear it and head towards deeper water. They never get the jib sorted out, but jibe around onto a course that heads towards being embayed...they can't get out unless they get the boat moving. They never get the jib trimmed. Skipper is holding the tiller hard to leeward...they are essentially hove-to, drifting sideways. No-one makes an effort to get out the anchor (if carried). The two crew in cockpit just sit there.Now, I agree it's not negligence. We don't know the full story, but the video appears to indicate they didn't know what they were doing. At no time does it show a good decision being made...quite the opposite, in fact. We'll have to see what their story is, but the video is what it is. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and estimate that Da burg is nowhere near a Martin242 fleet or Santa Monica Bay. Also, that there is no way one could say that jib is unfurled at the beginning of the vid. Unfurling maybe, but not unfurled. The reality of deploying an anchor on a 2,500 lb boat in 20TWS with a swell of considerable height, is, well.....Oh, and they are mandatory. I could go into the whole, I've sailed on the SM bay for soo many years and I've raced Martin 242's for more years than I care to remember, but really, "That would be a waste of time"! Haven't sailed a 242 that I recall.I built this: And a few others. Want pics of them too? Good for you, but other than stroking your ego, what would that achieve? Edit, Not sure of how this is relevant to the incident that occurred.
  12. You would be sued so quickly it would make you pivot around your 1 brain cell and then get you released from further insurance adjustment work . Pretty evident at the beginning of the vid, that they were not under power, nor had a jib unfurled and the main at boom level. Indicating a potential failure of the main halyard. Also, that the Martin 242 can be sailed easily under mainsail only, should not stop you from pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have little knowledge. You must be blind. The jib is clearly unfurled and luffing at the beginning of the video. It's pure speculation the main halyard broke...we don't know why the main is down. The boat is heading to the left, which appears to be a safe direction. They're well to windward of the pier, and look to be able to clear it and head towards deeper water. They never get the jib sorted out, but jibe around onto a course that heads towards being embayed...they can't get out unless they get the boat moving. They never get the jib trimmed. Skipper is holding the tiller hard to leeward...they are essentially hove-to, drifting sideways. No-one makes an effort to get out the anchor (if carried). The two crew in cockpit just sit there.Now, I agree it's not negligence. We don't know the full story, but the video appears to indicate they didn't know what they were doing. At no time does it show a good decision being made...quite the opposite, in fact. We'll have to see what their story is, but the video is what it is. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and estimate that Da burg is nowhere near a Martin242 fleet or Santa Monica Bay. Also, that there is no way one could say that jib is unfurled at the beginning of the vid. Unfurling maybe, but not unfurled. The reality of deploying an anchor on a 2,500 lb boat in 20TWS with a swell of considerable height, is, well.....Oh, and they are mandatory. I could go into the whole, I've sailed on the SM bay for soo many years and I've raced Martin 242's for more years than I care to remember, but really, "That would be a waste of time"!
  13. You would be sued so quickly it would make you pivot around your 1 brain cell and then get you released from further insurance adjustment work . Pretty evident at the beginning of the vid, that they were not under power, nor had a jib unfurled and the main at boom level. Indicating a potential failure of the main halyard. Also, that the Martin 242 can be sailed easily under mainsail only, should not stop you from pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have little knowledge.
  14. PAC 52

    Lot's of pundits here. Stumbling around in the dark. Class DOA.
  15. PAC 52

    you must be new here, I swear tempesta could find a reason to bitch about a good blowjob. that said he does make the vaild point that this is so similar to the TP52 that from a marketing standpoint it could be a hard sell to get someone to pony up the dollars for one of these new class of boats as opposed to the already established TP52's. On the west coast it isn't an issue since the 52 super series doesn't go to the west coast but getting the class to catch on on the east coast and in the med might be a hard sell. however the prospect of a one design fleet that is also offshore capable is a pretty major selling point, and a big leg up I think over the what the TP52 class has become. I don't think that means what you think it means. Box Rule, think I14s rather than 49ers. ah gotcha, thanks. correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the original TP52 class a box rule as well? Yah. Won't be long until the engineering arms war starts and kills this class. Especially in such a small fish bowl.