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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. Santana 20. Hands down will spank anything in light air. Viper 830 included. Edit. M24 sucks in light air. You wanna plane, not suck!
  2. Btw, I haven't done a N2E in maybe 20 years. Other than the boat, bus or spouse back what are the remaining transpo options?
  3. You ever been to ABYC or SDYC? 115 PHRF entrants at ABYC. I don't think so. Not even that many O/D. And SDYC not gonna happen.
  4. Too easy... SYD HOBART. WILL .. BE.. WINDY. But which part? Derwent could be a drifter!
  5. Plagiarism only goes so far. Not quite far enough for you though!
  6. Perhaps I should have stated where I am located - California - since insurance may be different elsewhere. In California the liability provisions of the policy is based on negligence/fault. Thinking on it more, how do you have a no fault liability policy - you cannot be liable for damages unless you are at fault. First of all, I am not an insurance expert. But, my understanding is that no-fault applies when two vehicles collide...each ins co pays for damages and injuries for the driver/vehicle they insure. In this case, there is no second vehicle. The owner/skipper of the boat is at fault, but there's no indication of negligence. He made a couple of wrong decisions, but it was simply a big fuckup, not negligence. There's no reason for his insurance not to cover the loss of the boat and the minor injuries within coverage limits.A big fuckup that doesn't rise to the level of negligence? I dont recall such a thing, and I got an A in Torts. Please enlighten us.If you swerve right to avoid a wreck, and should have swerved left, it's just a bad decision, not negligence. Boat owner was attempting to avoid the pier, there's alternative actions he could have taken, but it's not a situation where he did nothing. We don't know what happened prior to the video beginning, or the reason for dropping the main (and not re hoisting it), but it does appear they were trying to deal with jib issue until the end and likely thought they'd sort it out in time. I'm no lawyer, but I've been through enough deposition training to know, that when you start using phrases like "we don't know what happened prior...." or "the reason for", followed by phrases such as "likely thought". Well then, I think, you have left yourself open for a legal raping the likes of which you never even dreamt possible. But, this is sailing Anarchy and no one gets sued.............oh wait.
  7. +100 I'd love to give a blow by blow when we dismasted in the SB Channel (5 miles offshore in 20 to 25 w/big seas) There was plenty of neg on my part but with cool heads, we prevailed safely, as seen below January 2014, tails between our legs. and here we are lately, January 2017, winning. BOOYA Zap 26? Channel Islands Harbor? Dawg? Always had a soft spot for this boat.
  8. Joke about a lee shore until your crawling on your hands and knees off one. And it was not a joke Reading comprehension isn't your strong point!
  9. Doesn't that just make you a whore? You say that like there's something wrong with it!!! Certainly no worse than this fantastic armchair speculation based on phone cam video.
  10. You would be sued so quickly it would make you pivot around your 1 brain cell and then get you released from further insurance adjustment work . Pretty evident at the beginning of the vid, that they were not under power, nor had a jib unfurled and the main at boom level. Indicating a potential failure of the main halyard. Also, that the Martin 242 can be sailed easily under mainsail only, should not stop you from pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have little knowledge. You must be blind. The jib is clearly unfurled and luffing at the beginning of the video. It's pure speculation the main halyard broke...we don't know why the main is down. The boat is heading to the left, which appears to be a safe direction. They're well to windward of the pier, and look to be able to clear it and head towards deeper water. They never get the jib sorted out, but jibe around onto a course that heads towards being embayed...they can't get out unless they get the boat moving. They never get the jib trimmed. Skipper is holding the tiller hard to leeward...they are essentially hove-to, drifting sideways. No-one makes an effort to get out the anchor (if carried). The two crew in cockpit just sit there.Now, I agree it's not negligence. We don't know the full story, but the video appears to indicate they didn't know what they were doing. At no time does it show a good decision being made...quite the opposite, in fact. We'll have to see what their story is, but the video is what it is. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and estimate that Da burg is nowhere near a Martin242 fleet or Santa Monica Bay. Also, that there is no way one could say that jib is unfurled at the beginning of the vid. Unfurling maybe, but not unfurled. The reality of deploying an anchor on a 2,500 lb boat in 20TWS with a swell of considerable height, is, well.....Oh, and they are mandatory. I could go into the whole, I've sailed on the SM bay for soo many years and I've raced Martin 242's for more years than I care to remember, but really, "That would be a waste of time"! Haven't sailed a 242 that I recall.I built this: And a few others. Want pics of them too? Good for you, but other than stroking your ego, what would that achieve? Edit, Not sure of how this is relevant to the incident that occurred. Why is it relevent? Good question...you brought it up. I do in fact have much experience building and sailing 242 type boats, not to mention negotiating breaking inlets. There's my qualifications to comment on the incident, what are yours? 32 years sailing on Santa Monica Bay. Nearly ten years sailing the Martin 242 with the original class founder for Santa Monica Bay and over twenty five years servicing the Santa Monica Bay yacht racing community. Just a beginner really.
  11. You would be sued so quickly it would make you pivot around your 1 brain cell and then get you released from further insurance adjustment work . Pretty evident at the beginning of the vid, that they were not under power, nor had a jib unfurled and the main at boom level. Indicating a potential failure of the main halyard. Also, that the Martin 242 can be sailed easily under mainsail only, should not stop you from pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have little knowledge. You must be blind. The jib is clearly unfurled and luffing at the beginning of the video. It's pure speculation the main halyard broke...we don't know why the main is down. The boat is heading to the left, which appears to be a safe direction. They're well to windward of the pier, and look to be able to clear it and head towards deeper water. They never get the jib sorted out, but jibe around onto a course that heads towards being embayed...they can't get out unless they get the boat moving. They never get the jib trimmed. Skipper is holding the tiller hard to leeward...they are essentially hove-to, drifting sideways. No-one makes an effort to get out the anchor (if carried). The two crew in cockpit just sit there.Now, I agree it's not negligence. We don't know the full story, but the video appears to indicate they didn't know what they were doing. At no time does it show a good decision being made...quite the opposite, in fact. We'll have to see what their story is, but the video is what it is. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and estimate that Da burg is nowhere near a Martin242 fleet or Santa Monica Bay. Also, that there is no way one could say that jib is unfurled at the beginning of the vid. Unfurling maybe, but not unfurled. The reality of deploying an anchor on a 2,500 lb boat in 20TWS with a swell of considerable height, is, well.....Oh, and they are mandatory. I could go into the whole, I've sailed on the SM bay for soo many years and I've raced Martin 242's for more years than I care to remember, but really, "That would be a waste of time"! Haven't sailed a 242 that I recall.I built this: And a few others. Want pics of them too? Good for you, but other than stroking your ego, what would that achieve? Edit, Not sure of how this is relevant to the incident that occurred.
  12. You would be sued so quickly it would make you pivot around your 1 brain cell and then get you released from further insurance adjustment work . Pretty evident at the beginning of the vid, that they were not under power, nor had a jib unfurled and the main at boom level. Indicating a potential failure of the main halyard. Also, that the Martin 242 can be sailed easily under mainsail only, should not stop you from pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have little knowledge. You must be blind. The jib is clearly unfurled and luffing at the beginning of the video. It's pure speculation the main halyard broke...we don't know why the main is down. The boat is heading to the left, which appears to be a safe direction. They're well to windward of the pier, and look to be able to clear it and head towards deeper water. They never get the jib sorted out, but jibe around onto a course that heads towards being embayed...they can't get out unless they get the boat moving. They never get the jib trimmed. Skipper is holding the tiller hard to leeward...they are essentially hove-to, drifting sideways. No-one makes an effort to get out the anchor (if carried). The two crew in cockpit just sit there.Now, I agree it's not negligence. We don't know the full story, but the video appears to indicate they didn't know what they were doing. At no time does it show a good decision being made...quite the opposite, in fact. We'll have to see what their story is, but the video is what it is. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and estimate that Da burg is nowhere near a Martin242 fleet or Santa Monica Bay. Also, that there is no way one could say that jib is unfurled at the beginning of the vid. Unfurling maybe, but not unfurled. The reality of deploying an anchor on a 2,500 lb boat in 20TWS with a swell of considerable height, is, well.....Oh, and they are mandatory. I could go into the whole, I've sailed on the SM bay for soo many years and I've raced Martin 242's for more years than I care to remember, but really, "That would be a waste of time"!
  13. You would be sued so quickly it would make you pivot around your 1 brain cell and then get you released from further insurance adjustment work . Pretty evident at the beginning of the vid, that they were not under power, nor had a jib unfurled and the main at boom level. Indicating a potential failure of the main halyard. Also, that the Martin 242 can be sailed easily under mainsail only, should not stop you from pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have little knowledge.
  14. Lot's of pundits here. Stumbling around in the dark. Class DOA.
  15. you must be new here, I swear tempesta could find a reason to bitch about a good blowjob. that said he does make the vaild point that this is so similar to the TP52 that from a marketing standpoint it could be a hard sell to get someone to pony up the dollars for one of these new class of boats as opposed to the already established TP52's. On the west coast it isn't an issue since the 52 super series doesn't go to the west coast but getting the class to catch on on the east coast and in the med might be a hard sell. however the prospect of a one design fleet that is also offshore capable is a pretty major selling point, and a big leg up I think over the what the TP52 class has become. I don't think that means what you think it means. Box Rule, think I14s rather than 49ers. ah gotcha, thanks. correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the original TP52 class a box rule as well? Yah. Won't be long until the engineering arms war starts and kills this class. Especially in such a small fish bowl.