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  1. Mozzy Sails

    Snowflakes and sailing

    If most people do penalties when they know they have done wrong and you hail protest, then why you have such a bee in your bonnet about rules? I would genuinely like to here about any protests you've been in a 3rd party, you say most, so I take it not all do their spins?
  2. Mozzy Sails

    Snowflakes and sailing

    Er, i don't give you any maybes, the maybes are reasons why B wouldn't protest A. The scenario is the same for you as C, B is right of way, avoids A, tells A not to worry about it. You as C protest both. What I'm saying follows on from that. It's not spin. You'd have to protest right there and then. You'd then have to get B to say they were avoiding A in the room. You can have as many witness supposing they knew the intentions of B, but it ain't gonna help you. Only B can say why they took the action the did. Then it follows if your protest got thrown out on a technicality, you'd retire yourself for failing to enforce the rules. It also follows that you'd also protest everyone who witness an infringement if they don't hail protest. It's not spin, it's not maybes. It extending out your logic to it's obvious conclusion. Or put it this way, you obviously feel there is a rule adherence issue in the sport. So I take you've seen a lot of people flouting the rules to gvie you this impression? But from your posting here I take it you've protested each incident observed as a third party? Or retired if you failed to do so?
  3. Mozzy Sails

    Snowflakes and sailing

    I'm not saying A was right to foul B, and if I was B, I would protest. I'm saying if you're boat C, you won't be successful unless there is a collision. Plus, if you're boat C, you'd have to hail protest at A at the time and fly a flag. Then you say you'd protest B for rule 2. But then you'd be duty bound to also protest every other boat on the course who saw the incident but didn't protest, as really it's everyone responsibility to enforce the rules. What if you were C and you did protest, but your protest was thrown out because you hailed or flew your flag too late. Would you then retire from the race because you failed to enforce the rules? I think you're being unrealistic. Not checked, but I think the rules say you may protest, not that you must. B may not want to protest because they weren't completely sure whether they would win the protest. Maybe the protest wouldn't benefit their result? Maybe they just have to get home early after sailing.
  4. Mozzy Sails

    Team UK

    Ditched the TP52 campaign. That always sounds like a cost saving way of getting the team sailing, at the cost that Langley would be helming and the BAR just crewing for him. Also interesting that the GC32 will carry projekt grenadier branding... can't help but think it's a dig at Land Rover.
  5. Mozzy Sails

    Snowflakes and sailing

    So boats can duck before a foul occurs, but boats can't tack before a foul occurs? It's okay for a starboard boat to duck a port boat to avoid collision, but not protest. But it's not okay for a starboard boat to tack to avoid a collision then not protest? Boats communicating and agreeing when a starboard boat ducks means you won't protest. But boats communicating and agreeing when the starboard boat tacks means you will protest. I think if there is no collision, then it is really up to the aggrieved party to protest. Otherwise there isn't anything concrete for a third party to get involved with. From Hardleys description it very much sounds like they were infringed and they should have protested. But a third party would have next to no chance protesting the two of them when no collision occurred.
  6. Mozzy Sails

    Snowflakes and sailing

    No, agreement is not required. If the rule was broken they cannot agree it away. But... you just said that it was okay for starboard boats to duck port boats if communicating and agreed?? Remember, three posts up, you quoted yourself from post 209? Where in Rule 10 does it mention collision? Where do I say rules 10? I'm talking about what you can state as fact as a witness. If you cannot say the boats collided, you are left with just your opinion on whether the action taken by B was avoiding action or just something they wanted to do regardless. If there is a collision, then a rule has to have been broken. If there is no collision, then a rule may have been broken, but the right of way boat has to show they took avoiding action. In the former you have a valid protest, as you can say for certain a rule has been broken and no penalties were done. In the later, whether rule may or may not have been broken totally depend on whether B took avoiding action. You will have a hard time proving that if they won't admit it themselves. Guilty parties are always claiming that they did not break a rule. Doesn't stop them getting DSQd. What planet are you from? Obviously. But in this case you have a protest committee weighing up your witness statement that you believe a rule may have been broken based on an intention of B which they will refute, against the statement by A and B, both of whom were closer to the incident and agree no foul occurred. All three parties agree there was no collision. The two parties closest to the incident agree there was no infringement. What do you think a protest committee will decide?
  7. Mozzy Sails

    Snowflakes and sailing

    But you also said you'd protest if boat B said ""Don't worry about it, keep going!". Surely that's communicating and agreeing no foul? There's no rule saying boats can break rules as long as those infringed communicate and agree. At the end of the day, if two boats collide, then a rule has been broken and you can know that as fact as a third party and should protest. If there is no collision, then it's your opinion that one boat might have infringed the other, but without being in the mind of the infringed boat, you can't know. All boat B has to say in the protest room is, 'the action I took was not avoiding action'. No mater how close the boats were, not matter what was said on the water, doesn't matter.
  8. Mozzy Sails

    Snowflakes and sailing

    Calling your crew as witness, their perspective will be identical to your own, it'll probably be discounted or given very little weight. At the end of the day it's your opinion that one of the boat took avoiding action. That boat will always say that they took an action, but it wasn't to avoid the other boat, it was just the action they wanted to take. The boats being close does not mean the right of way boat was not always intending to tack there. Boat being close isn't against the rules. Doing a crash tack isn't against the rules. There's nothing you have seen which is against the rules. You'd need one of teh parties to admit they were infringed as they were forced to tack avoiding action. The fact you heard a boat say don't worry about doesn't meant anything. That could be, 'don't worry about, keep going' as in, 'we were going to tack anyway, you haven't broke any rules, carry on'. In this case, the defenders do have to admit they were infringed, because your protest hinges on them being forced into taking that manoeuvre to avoid another boat. Witnesses are great in that they can say what they saw, but they can't say what other people were thinking / intending. Good for me? But surely you think that is me braking rule 2? I see this happening in pretty much every race I do. Starboard boats waving through port boats because they don't want them to tack and close off their lane. You're saying if your saw that in a race you would protest both boats... surely you've seen that happen before? Did you protest? if not, why not? Why is the starboard boat taking to avoid any different than ducking to avoid?
  9. Mozzy Sails

    29er

    Sorry, my post earlier for waves was in breeze, as I didn't really think you'd get much in the way of waves if you're in soak mode... I thought the soaking bit was an unrelated question. Like mustang says, keep the body movement subtle until comfortable wiring. To me soak mode means when you're sailing for maximum depth without hiding the kite. Both helm and crew in the boat, in which case get as much bow in as possible. It sounds like your soak mode is something different from mine! There will be times when you get hit by a gust and crew high wiring, where you take the gust down rather than dropping on the wire, but usually it's because of some other tactical or strategy decision. In medium conditions I think it is better to look at your wake to judge for-aft trim rather than the bow. If you are getting significant stern wake, or turbulence then you're dragging the transom. Basically, once you're on the plane, move back to reduce wetted area but it will become counter productive if you start to did the stern in, so the stern is where you need to be looking for trim, not the bow.
  10. Mozzy Sails

    Snowflakes and sailing

    How do you know / prove that the crash tack was to avoid the other boat and not just that they were planning on tacking there anyway? You're right, a collision is hard to prove without damage, but you should have a witness, just like any other protest. A third party witness can say whether they saw a collision or not, but they can't speculate whether it was intention of the right of way boat to tack there or not. On the other hand with no collision, you'd have to prove that the right of way boat wasn't making that manoeuvre (crash tack) out of choice. Without A or B coming out saying that they would have carried on had the other boat not infringed them you're protest would be lobbed out. And why would they say that when admitting it would get them binned? What about the situation where a starboard boat chooses to duck a port boat? Would you protest that? I always duck port boats if I'm on or over the starboard layline. I always duck port boats if I think they'd be a threat to my lane if they tacked. I only really ever call starboard on a boat if I think they haven't seen me, or if I'm planning a tack soon, but not quite just yet and I want to bounce them out to the wrong side of the course.
  11. Mozzy Sails

    Snowflakes and sailing

    Random, unless there is a collision then your protest would have no grounds. Kinardly's example does not mention a collision, and you say clearly foul rather than collide in your ABC example. Otherwise you would be protesting every time a starboard boat let a port boat cross. If two boats collide, and neither do turns, then you'd have valid protest. In this scenario you could wait until after racing and protest both boats, but what would probably be better would be talk to the boat you think was in the right, and tell them to protest and offer to be a witness.
  12. Mozzy Sails

    29er

    Soak mode? As in downwind when crew not trapping? You want the bow dug in as deep as possible? Bleeding speed up the backs of waves, take it you mean downwind still? Bearing away will bury the bow, heading up will lift it. Crew kicking forward will push the bow down and ouch the boat forward. Key is when you get to the top of a wave you want to ooch it over as quick as possible. When you're teetering on the top do a little bear away and kick forward to 'drop in' to the wave sooner. If you leave it too late the bow will drop later and crash right in to the wave in-front and you'll stop dead (or pitch-pole). As you're in the trough approaching the wave in front you want to head up, this will lift the bow and gain power, then once you get near the top, ooch it over. There's quite a variation in speed, and apparent wind angles will change to match. The crew should ease the kite as the boat slows then sheet on as you accelerate down the wave and the apparent comes forward. This requires quick hand and good feel for sheet loads. You'll get to a point where it becomes about managing your speed. You can't just go flat out, dropped to the knots sheeting for speed. You'll need to be over sheeting the kite or raising on the wire, or both, to stop yourself ploughing in to waves. Then releasing full speed when it's safe.
  13. Mozzy Sails

    Team UK

    https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/206642/INEOS-TEAM-UK-joins-2018-GC32-Racing-Tour Ineos to compete in 2018 GC32 Tour with Ainsle at helm. Joey Newton and Ian Jenson join the team too.
  14. Mozzy Sails

    Mid Week Summer Racing

    Yeah, the good thing about action camera's is the mounting options, so you really have to move them around to try different vantage points. The difficulty is, once you've mounted them, they stay put, so in a race you end up with lots of footage from one angle. It might be an interesting perspective, but if you've not got another angle to cut back and forth to it becomes pretty unwatchable quite quickly. I've got a Yi Action Camera and an old go pro. One facing forwards and one back tends to work pretty well to cut between angles and give a good impression of surroundings in a race. One on the head to pick up some POV and race chat audio is good... but then you do look a bit of a knob with a camera on your head. Front/back camera below:
  15. Mozzy Sails

    Mid Week Summer Racing

    You seem to be getting quite a bit of blur from water on the lens. Mounting higher and away from the sails should help, but if you are going to have the camera somewhere it's getting splashed then a bit of washing up liquid on the case lens should help the water bead up and run off preventing smudge / bluring (that's if your camera is mounted in a case). It would be better if you could get a higher angle on the camera. Maybe somewhere on the back-stay looking forward and down to see crew work about the cockpit? Perhaps underside of spreader looking back and down? The boat hook lashed aft and up would give probably the best view. Would be pretty simple to rig up and unlikely to snag. (see example here @4:33: