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  1. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    Actually that was the first time I mentioned his age, though others had posted about it earlier in the thread. "The 60 year old" is more a metaphor for "the people who wouldn't normally do that job". For sure some of our strongest and reliable were right around that age. Perhaps you should lay off the accountants, if stereotyping really bothers you.
  2. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    Indeed. We would undoubtedly have jumped off after the first real training sail, if we could have got it out of the harbor without tipping it over. Who'd be stupid enough to market that to amateurs and beginners? Though at least on a Volvo 70 or OD V65 you'd cover the distance a lot quicker. But it's still the Southern Ocean, whatever boat you are on. Unless you've experienced multi-week cold weather ocean passages, it's easy to underestimate the attrition to the "active" crew from relentless cold, pervasive damp, sleep deprivation, and the small injuries that accumulate. That's what results in short-handed watches and the 60 year old being on the foredeck for a sail change.
  3. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    I was RTW in the 2013/14 race too, and was lucky with my skipper so it was a good experience. Gaurav is right about the variable quality of the skippers - some I definitely would not have wanted to trust my life to. And I don't know if adding a second professional to each boat as recommended by MAIB would help much unless Clipper were willing to pay much more money to ensure that people with relevant quality and experience would be willing to do it. What has changed in the last 2 editions? It's the boats, surely. The 70s are the biggest and least crew friendly design that Clipper has used. As the boats are bigger the sails are correspondingly larger and heavier, needing more crew to move them around The bow is extremely narrow, and with the upwind slamming inherent in the design, a very uncomfortable place to be. We got through the 13/14 race without loss of life only through pure luck, as Andrew's survival for 90 minutes as MOB in the North Pacific was almost miraculous. The Clipper 60s and 68s were far more sea kindly designs - I can't see anyone ever wanting to use a retired Clipper 70 as an adventure sailing/expedition boat for paying crews. It will be interesting to see what if anything Clipper changes after this. I don't think I'd have signed up if the sales spiel had been "Oh don't worry, we only lose 1 or 2 crew each edition" instead of :"We've never lost anyone in eight races"
  4. Clipper Does a Vestas

    How many did you speak to? I can confidently say that several of us felt safe and seamanlike at least some of the time on the clipper 70. You do tend to learn something over 40,000 miles. Or even just the first 1,000. Though I don't doubt the 70s with their wide open spaces are tougher on the crew than the earlier boats.
  5. Artemis?

    My bad - clever disguise there
  6. Artemis?

    Uh oh, another twisty one
  7. Artemis?

    It sure was. Cold and gusty - but the denizens were creating a warm haze of dubious 2nd hand smoke.
  8. Artemis?

    They were out in the South Bay, up near Candlestick and Hunters Point. It was a bit distracting trying to see what they were doing while driving on the 101 freeway, so I went to the Stick and watched for a while. Sorry, too far away for my phone to capture. They were doing short reaches and transitions. The Candlestick sensor was reading over 25 knots, and the Sierra Point Channel marker peaked at around 28 during that time.
  9. Artemis?

    But I expect they want to see where they are going. With the fog only now burning off it would be a very short sailing day.
  10. Artemis?

    Hmm - the two Boardsports webcams (at Crown Beach and Coyote Point) show that the current weather might not be ideal http://boardsportsschool.com/weather/webcam/
  11. Artemis?

    Hey, if it works for Lauren Hutton, why not TH? BTW, now Artemis have their boat sailing, don't they deserve a thread with no question mark?
  12. Artemis?

    Great to see Artemis on the bay today. Can't wait to see Luna Rossa and ETNZ here too - when does that happen? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/47951340/Big%20Red%20Cat%202.jpg