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  1. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    It must be the anchored KB in the distance in this short drone shot at 12:12 of the vlog of this couple sailing by.
  2. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    This new incarnation of Sidecar is interesting enough to warrant its own thread ;-)
  3. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    I am not sure Jzerro is very relevant to KB. This does not detract from the pride for Jzerro's win, though. But much of unproductive discussion is due to a lack of focus on the requirements of use. KB is meant as a family ocean cruiser. Robin chose to build her not as an investment but as a testament of what he considered the best combination of technical choices. So these choices should be considered against the intended use. What stands out with KB are the unstayed wingmasts in combination with the bidirectional rudder/boards pair. My personal priority in viewing a family ocean cruiser is safety. This issue touches on a broad variety of aspects of designing, building and operating a boat. It is sadly ironic that at least one easy to solve aspect of safety was not (yet?) taken care of in KB. One interesting safety aspect of a proa in general for amateur cruising is its ability to stop and reverse. I feel a case can be made that this is more important than fast tacking, although not in all situations of course. If one would want to discuss the safety aspect of proa configurations per se then comparing KB to Gaiasdream (GD) would be more to the point as their intended use is comparable. GD's rig was rebuilt last summer so also for this boat we are awaiting reports on her performances.
  4. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    This reminds me of this short footage showing the beauty of jzerro sailing.
  5. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    The boat sailed well balanced in more than 10 knots of wind. That is not spectacular except for those who predicted she would not be sailable at all. And as any one off built, she cannot prove to be capable to cross the oceans before she does. Predictions about her chances will vary according to engineering school. Robin was an engineer. He must have believed her chances were good enough to build her the way he did. And he is not alone. Let us hope somebody knowledgeable enough picks her up and shows us.
  6. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    The situation is even more complicated than that: 1/ I expect a heavy taxation on the inheritance based on an official estimate and due sometimes before a fire sale brings in the necessary cash 2/ the inheritance is also shared with the children if any. Disagreements among the heirs can lock up a situation for a long time. Any deal before the title is assigned should then be signed by every one of the heirs and any one of them could contest the execution of the contract once the title is assigned.
  7. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    bistros, you are quite right but it must be said that Solarbri invited Russell to comment and ProaSailor obliged.
  8. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    bistros is so right. If prices for legal advice in Portugal are similar to where I live 10K does not buy much unless you have a guarantee from a local lawyer. And I have not known lawyers who would give such guarantees. The best is to have a local lawyer already answer your questions above. These answers will cost already but they will spell out your risks more clearly. Legal advice on this forum is worth what you pay for it. It seems more practical to forget about the title which eventually will be assigned to the heirs and make a contract with them, as current guardians but not owners of the boat, that you take care of the boat as a "good father" would and have the full use of the boat under the agreement that you pick up all costs of maintenance and running it until the issue of the title is resolved at which time you could invoke a first right of refusal to buy it for its market price minus the necessary investments you made in the boat. This will help the heirs not being slapped by bills that eventually the boat will generate and protect the investment against accelerated deterioration. By my estimate the responsible upkeep of the boat may cost more than 10K per year.
  9. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    Please remember this is the dream boat of the owner and he had it actually built ready to sail. He was convinced of his choices. He knew about the discussions and accepted the risks. Its performance is of interest to many so that each of us can improve our own choices for our own dream boat. No more, no less.
  10. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    No that is not the KB design. KB is much older and more voluminous but while in built at the owner's own pace and insight it converged its rig/rudder configuration more towards Denney's latest 60' design. In this sense it is the first of its kind but not the latest of the design. Its sailing performance would thus be illustrative for this configuration despite being of a different weight class.
  11. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    The problem of the seven years wait can also be turned to an advantage. The next of kin have to take care of the boat during that period. One could make a deal with them to have the full use of the boat just for the cost of maintenance and upkeep without money layup. The boat is almost ready to go and needs little investment and just some repairs. The boat will maintain more of tis value during that period and one could argue to have the first right of refusal if one would want to keep the boat after seven years. If the restriction to stay in Portugal can be lifted one could have a ocean cruiser just for the cost of running it.
  12. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    This is not exactly a designer's boat, but rather a designer's inspired boat. Being an engineer, the owner build, assembled, rebuild and reassembled the parts over the years as progressing insights convinced him or not. Interesting to me is that the configuration happened to end up being close to present day versions of a HP cruiser. Its first test sail was quite promising. It is too bad that now it will take much longer than expected to validate its performance in a representative range of weather and sea conditions. Without being an expert I have the impression that the window and propulsion issues brought up here are easily solved. More worrisome are the legal/insurance/investment implications operating the boat while waiting for the conclusion of the sale, but still well within what a good local lawyer can fix. Only sea trials can determine if the boat would not be ocean safe and these could proceed already without significant investment but some time off.
  13. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    I understand you are disappointed with the boat. Some things are not clear though. As far as I remember the boat weighted in at 11 tons when it was put in the water last summer. That is pretty light for its size. I do not understand that the electrical installation and a bunch of mattrasses as seen on the walkaround video would weigh down a 20 meter hull.. Also the built of this boat was certainly not rushed although apparently the installation of the windows failed. The only complaint the owner had was the weight of the booms as, contrary to his instructions while he was away on assignment, plywood was used instead . Without being a lawyer I suspect that the legal aspect has more ramifications than discussed here. But that is a matter that fits legal forums better.
  14. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    It seems more fitting to this forum to discuss possible safety issues than speculating about this tragic event. From behind my desk the boat looks quite safe in many aspects with the exception of the remark from Bottman. The position at the tiller may need to be more protected but a simple extension would solve that. The narrow windward ledge of the windward hull does not look inviting despite a couple of handrails, but then again its utility seems marginal anyway. Regarding the windage and possible complications with wing masts, it seems the boat has withstood almost a full year of weather patterns, with the charts showing historical average gusts up to about 17 mph and at least one instance with gust speed at 36 mph. Not near the stress test one would wish for but better than nothing. Imagining the boat swinging in high winds some kind of pulpit at the anchor chain may offer welcome protection.
  15. lucdekeyser

    Kleen Breeze

    I agree that handrails there are not a superfluous luxury.. I doubt the newspaper's report that KB was sailing when the skipper disappeared. I did notice a decent ladder. Would it have been retracted on anchor?