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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

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  1. Teams?

    Haven't been digging much unfortunately, too much fun raising a 2 year old! Will be back beating the bushes over the next couple weeks though.
  2. Kelo v. City of New London,

    You seem very happy to let the government take land when it is a topic you agree with
  3. Trump Proposes The Use of Mini-Nukes in Warfare

    says the guy who has clearly never been in a fight
  4. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    when you run a 10k your safety is your own responsibility. When you are crew on a boat owned and run by an organization for profit, both common sense and maritime law mean it's a little different from your charity run. In other words, no one is shutting down the charity 10k runs for a runner's heart attack. But if three employees of the running company died in three years from electrocution while setting up the scoreboard, the government sure as shit would be at their office the next day for a reckoning
  5. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    That's fine SS but you do understand that I have been all over the first two deaths, (including speaking to one of the sailors' family members to get the real info) and all over the MAIB report, and what I am looking at is patterns and responses with an understanding from several past Clipper skippers that it was always just a matter of time before people started dying because of the 'poor experience level of many of the skippers'. So sure, there's some speculation here. What there also is are two deaths with ZERO speculation, and now one where we know quite a bit thanks to the Clipper statement, which I'm sure includes something like 'only the third fatality in the XX history of the race, amongst all those THOUSANDS of sailors. I was a cheerleader for the Clipper for a long time because they drove so many people into the sport. Turns out there's a substantial likelihood of dying, so it might not be the best took to help the offshore sailing crew pool.
  6. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    This is all 100% true. What I'm wondering is just how much the Clipper competitors truly understood the risk, and whether the Clipper added more pros and fixed their safety problems (which focused again and again on their MOB procedures, equipment, and training.
  7. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    Sorry, I've updated my numbers to around 1400 for two editions. Second: One death in 5 editions for the Volvo in 12 years. 3 in 2 editions in the Clipper in 2.5 years.. Are you saying the two situations are comparable? They don't look like it if you write down the numbers. Third: "They do a hell of a lot of work on safety" seems to go against the ACTUAL MAIB REPORT on the last two deaths. Do you disagree with the MAIB's recommendations? Fourth: The family is grieving regardless of whether we talk on a bulletin board. Do you think that by discussing how this can be prevented in the future, the family loses their ability to speak to each other?
  8. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    It is a passenger-paying trip, in many ways. Should 3 people die in three years? Should 3 out of 1400 die on what is 'the adventure of a lifetime' for, in many cases, pensioners?
  9. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    their boat. their safety and nav gear. their training. their employee was in charge of the boat. Does it not work that way in UK Maritime law?
  10. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    Hey Shanghai, how many deaths do you need before you start to doubt the Clipper's great management of risks? They didn't have a death in two decades and then they had two within a few months last time around, and they've already had a completely preventable grounding and now another death. I gotta say that 3 dead out of the total complement of - probably like 250 sailors in the two editions? That's a pretty fucking high percentage likelihood of dying for folks who just wanted to sail around the world. Maybe they should find another name for the Clipper. Is Life at the Extreme taken?
  11. Man gets eel stuck up his anus

    "It slipped"
  12. Gitana Maxi 17

    This is the first and only maxi multihull that Verdier have done without VPLP, and there's quite a bit of bad blood over it, and keep in mind that the Verdier foils that won the America's Cup barely survived to the last race. One would fully expect some teething issues, the question will be how quickly does the design and build team respond and how well does the new setup do?
  13. Gitana Maxi 17

    if you find a metal that can flex as much as a carbon foil yet be resistant to cavitation (which tears up stainless props like concrete), let us know please!
  14. Gitana Maxi 17

    Pretty sure Boss foils are monolithic. maybe it doesn't scale up, maybe it does. Point is that AC boats, IMOCA boats, GC32, G4 all have gone to monolithic despite most starting with cored because damage. Would think monolithic will hold up longer when cavitation or torsional issues start tearing up trailing edge, especially useful for an ocean vs. lake course. see cf. ETNZ 50.
  15. The big swinging dick problem

    you're just picking up on this?