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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. I built a facebook page for the Choate CF 27 sailboat. There is a picture album for each boat by the name of the boat. if you can help out with some pictures of Choate 27's I would appreciate it.
  2. There are a lot of old J-24's sitting around and they can be had very cheap. (mine included, I just want it off the trailer. A friend of mine wants to buy it for the lead in the keel and I may sell it to him) They can be fun to sail and i used to single hand mine in and out of the slip in light air with no motor. I have also single handed in light air with the chute up. J's are long on sailing and short on cruising comfort. The problem will occur if you want to go below decks. I have weekended and over-nighted in mine and It was fine. But then I like to backpack so expectations are low. The are a real pain to put on and off the trailer because of the keel stepped mast and the fixed keel. Don't really tow all that well either. I would only consider it if you are going to leave it in the water and only sail in your local area. It is also an expensive boat because of the putting it on and off the trailer thing so you will need a place to keep it. I would caution you to be very careful if you race it even in beer can races. The slope is very step and slick. I have raced a lot of things boats included and it is easy to fall for "well, I am only going to do this and I will be happy to finish in the back of the fleet" J-24's are some of the most expensive and aggravating boats to race. There are at least a 1/2 dozen at just one of the local clubs sitting on trailers with great bottoms, good sails and belong to at least good sailors. Only about 2-3 of them ever make it in the water and they belong to some of the most knowledgeable sailors on the lake. If you spend $30,000.00 on the boat and sails, practice with a good crew for 2 years and study hard you can have a great weekend and finish second. I tried racing with my 2 boys when they were young teenagers along with their Mom. Now none of them will race and not because i was captain Bligh. They got tired of finishing way back in the fleet and having to sail when the races were scheduled. Find some friends to race with. Race boats are always looking for crew and you will learn a lot. Sail with your family on nice days and have fun. At that point there are better boats for the money than the J-24. If you really want to race and cruise even the Catalina 22 is a better boat but I would look for a Catalina 27 I would also look at some of the San Juans. They are fast in light air and you can buy one and trick it out for less than the cost of a racing main for a J-24 that will only last a year. the San Juans are very easy to trailer. Capt. Bill When I read this it sounded like I was trying to tell you what to do and that was not my intent. I just wanted to share my thoughts with you. Trying to find a boat to cruise and race for me is like trying to find a motor cycle thats a good dirt bike and a comfortable cruiser to take your wife somewhere on the weekend. It's a hard set of compromises to come up with a good solution. Good Luck.
  3. Why is it the same people that complain that we have an unfair rating in light air never say that we have an unfair rating in heavy air?
  4. Choate 27 sailboats seem to attract a lot of heated conversation and I am not sure why. I am currently racing on one (Jessie's Girl) as skipper. I picked the boat from several lists of best PHRF boats for the money based on research of the boats and research of the NOAA database of wind speeds recorded on Lake Murray for many years. Some people feel the Choate 27 has a gift rating in light air but that has not been my experience. Yes, we have won quite a few races and we do seem to have an edge in light air. Of course, in the really light air when we are the only boat moving the race committee will postpone the start, shorten the course or abandon the race. We are also a very experienced crew. I have raced on that particular lake over 40 years. I have experience on J-24s , Soverel 33, Hobie 33's, Hobie 16's, SORC, one design and many other types of boats. The bottom of Jessie's Girl is cleaned before just about every race, we have new composite racing sails built by a local sailmaker and have upgraded the rigging. If we did not do well I would wonder why. Even with all of the above being true it is still our opponents mistakes that allow us to win. For instance, in our next to last race a Capri 25 corrected to one second slower than us. He lost that race at the start when we had a great start and he didn't. If you are never over early you aren't even trying to get a good start. The same boat lost the last race to us on the down wind leg. We owe him time and he was ahead of us 3/4 the way down the leg. He must have felt we were covering him and we may have had a little coverage. His response was to heat it up to weather. I knew when he headed up I had him. Sooner or later he had to come back down and by the time he did we were clear ahead well before the mark and the whole time I had right of way. If he had just maintained his course there was no way I could pass him and he could have covered us back to weather. I just don't think the Choate 27 has a gift rating. In the hands of good sailors, and they have been raced by some of the best, with better than average prep work and a sail locker full of sails they are hard to beat in a division were they are one of the faster ratings. We leave most of our sails on the dock and use a sponge to get the water out. If you want to win, prepare like a winner, sail like a winner and accept that every dog has his day and sometimes it will be you and sometimes not. When people tell us that we only won because we have a ratings beater I just smile and agree with them. They don't want to hear the truth and I am not educating my competitors for free. Capt. Bill
  5. I have built a facebook page for the CF 27. I am trying to gather as much information and learn as much as I can about these boats. I race on one named Jessie's Girl in the LMYRA series on Lake Murray, SC. We are currently first in class by 1.5 points with a record (with two throw outs) of 2,1,1,1,1. I am not entertained by the flameouts but any real information would be appreciated.