Pinocchio

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  1. Pinocchio

    What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

    That question is put in a weird way; but to answer it in kind: The government already protects you from yourselves in sooooo many ways. Some ways even unnecessary ones. Just not where guns are concerned… hence the horrific gun death and injury statistics and the news feed. I know that they try to protect us from ourselves with the drug war and the gun war and in other ways I dislike. But I guess slightly different phrasing will capture it better: Do you think it should be the government's job to protect us from ourselves? I do not. 1st time "Do you think it is government's job to protect us from ourselves?" 2nd time "Do you think it should be the government's job to protect us from ourselves?' Not much difference there; don't you think? No, not much. The second version acknowledges your point that government already protects us from ourselves and something they are doing can be considered their job. OK, but I don't think it should be the government's job to protect us from ourselves. Do you? In an ideal world… yes. Unfortunately we are not much better than killer monkeys. So laws get enacted for the greater good. Road rules, laws governing pharmaceuticals, border laws, drinking laws, drug laws, laws on violence, etc etc etc Only not guns… never guns. Not MY PRECIOUS… never never never.
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    What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

    I'm not sure if that was intended to be an answer to my question. Can you answer this question and start your answer with a yes or a no? Do you think it is government's job to protect us from ourselves? That question is put in a weird way; but to answer it in kind: The government already protects you from yourselves in sooooo many ways. Some ways even unnecessary ones. Just not where guns are concerned… hence the horrific gun death and injury statistics and the news feed. I know that they try to protect us from ourselves with the drug war and the gun war and in other ways I dislike. But I guess slightly different phrasing will capture it better: Do you think it should be the government's job to protect us from ourselves? I do not. 1st time "Do you think it is government's job to protect us from ourselves?" 2nd time "Do you think it should be the government's job to protect us from ourselves?' Not much difference there; don't you think?
  3. Pinocchio

    What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

    I'm not sure if that was intended to be an answer to my question. Can you answer this question and start your answer with a yes or a no? Do you think it is government's job to protect us from ourselves? That question is put in a weird way; but to answer it in kind: The government already protects you from yourselves in sooooo many ways. Some ways even unnecessary ones. Just not where guns are concerned… hence the horrific gun death and injury statistics and the news feed.
  4. Pinocchio

    What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

    You must have been a poor student, Tom 47th out of 150 and 3 countries off being in the red zone is not average. Using your method you fail to mention the 86 more countries in the following purple and grey zones. For all intents and purposes France and America have about the same statistic and given the trends and the fact that this was from 2014, you can bet your bottom dollar the USA has overtaken France and is now in the high zone. Last year's figures put Americas suicide rate ahead of France at 12.93 and in the red (high zone). The article I cited was about the major concern it's causing health Authorities in the USA. But still you keep arguing your furphys. You do so as a tactic of obscurification. It's intellectually dishonest. You are like a religious fundamentalist where stretching the truth or lying is ok because you are doing it for your God. (In this case your Precious) Just edging over the line, huh? That's a bit different from the "much higher" that you started out with. At least we can agree that the US and France are about the same in terms of suicide rate, something that suggests to me that their strict gun control is not preventing them from having the same rate as we do any more than Japan's strict gun control is stopping them from killing themselves at a greater rate. Do you think it is government's job to protect us from ourselves? The valid comparison for the USA are first world countries. You have pointed out France and Japan but ignore my big list of 1st world countries who have lower rates. You also cite an out of date stat, ignore an article about the increasing rates of suicide in the USA. The fact that America has eclipsed France for the honour of now being in the HIGH zone in such company as Guyana, North and South Korea, Lithuania, Sri Lanka, Suriname, Mozambique, Nepal, Kazakhstan, Tanzania, Burundi, India, Turkmenistan, Russia, Hungary, Japan, Uganda, South Sudan, Belarus, Zimbabwe, Latvia, Bhutan, Ukraine etc etc etc. Many of those Red Zone countries are 3rd world or at war and certainly in civil strife. It's hardly a list of countries where you go for a holiday and dine at a Michelin star restaurant. Read the list with your blinkers off and America has a suicide problem and of this whole list guess who is no 1 for suicide by gun? Anyway this is a morbid subject suffice to say that using a gun is the simplest quickest way of committing suicide and America leads the statistics in this method. Most other methods are somewhat more grisly to contemplate so having a gun readily to hand simplifies matters.
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    What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

    AND STILL YOU DO IT. that graph is up to 2007. Since then America has seen an increase in it's suicide rate. The WHO list compiled in 2012. AND YOU JUST IGNORE IT. It places America well up the first world list or the full list in terms of suicide. Here's another list compiled from the WHO statistics prepared in 2014 where America rises to 47th out of 172. .. That one makes my point and proves you wrong. They colored those they considered "high" red, and the green line starts at France (with a higher suicide rate than the US despite strict gun control). That green line is the group of countries in the middle. If we were "higher than average" as you said, we'd be in the red zone. We're not. The fact that countries like Japan and France have higher suicide rates than ours tells me that strict gun control is not a great way to stop people from killing themselves. Even if it were, I don't want our government to protect me from myself. I'm a "right to die" proponent and think the right includes the right to choose a method. You must have been a poor student, Tom 47th out of 150 and 3 countries off being in the red zone is not average. Using your method you fail to mention the 86 more countries in the following purple and grey zones. For all intents and purposes France and America have about the same statistic and given the trends and the fact that this was from 2014, you can bet your bottom dollar the USA has overtaken France and is now in the high zone. Last year's figures put Americas suicide rate ahead of France at 12.93 and in the red (high zone). The article I cited was about the major concern it's causing health Authorities in the USA. But still you keep arguing your furphys. You do so as a tactic of obscurification. It's intellectually dishonest. You are like a religious fundamentalist where stretching the truth or lying is ok because you are doing it for your God. (In this case your Precious)
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    What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

    Much higher, huh? Let's see your source on that one. That purple line from upthread doesn't seem to diverge from the rest much. Tom, you have done this sooooooo many times. You know how Jocal keeps telling you that you deliberately lie and distort ideas as an ever faithful gun club member… well you're doing it now. I don't know which gun nutters website you got this from but the graph doesn't reflect the world Health Organisations statistics at all. Sweden, Ireland, Australia, Argentina, Canada, New Zealand (yes they have less now your graph is out of date),Germany, Switzerland (Ditto), Norway, Denmark, Portugal, Netherlands, Singapore, UK, Israel, Spain, South Africa all have less suicides. Wikipedia Of all countries in the WHO stats, America is 50th out of 170 ,which is chronic underachieving in prevention of suicide for a wealthy nation. Guns are the main method in America but is not the most prevalent method world wide. May I suggest you delete your disingenuous little graph which probably goes back 10 years now. It's crap but I bet we see it again and again and again from you. MY PRECIOUS. The gun nutter site I used was the same one you used: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan They still have the same picture up there. And you still can't back up your claim that the US has a "much higher" suicide rate than the rest of the developed world because we don't. You listed a few countries that have a lower rate but ignored developed countries with a higher rate. As I said, we're about average in suicides, not "much higher" than the rest of the world. AND STILL YOU DO IT. that graph is up to 2007. Since then America has seen an increase in it's suicide rate. The WHO list compiled in 2012. AND YOU JUST IGNORE IT. It places America well up the first world list or the full list in terms of suicide. Here's another list compiled from the WHO statistics prepared in 2014 where America rises to 47th out of 172. A trend in the wrong direction and is in no way a reflection of your assertions; but rather shows up your arguments as deliberately inaccurate. IF you cared about the issue you wouldn't be so deliberately misleading. But here's the thing. You DON'T care. You care about your Precious and you perfectly define America's gun violence problem. A middle aged privileged man who lacks empathy and can ignore mass shootings and murder rates so he can admire his AR14 at night and put his man card certificate in a frame above the bar.
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    What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

    Much higher, huh? Let's see your source on that one. That purple line from upthread doesn't seem to diverge from the rest much. They add up to 16k people, far more than are killed by the type of gun violence that is inflicted by others. Almost as many as self-inflicted "violence" using guns. We obviously need plastic bag control just to start. How much financial responsibility should plastic bag manufacturers take? Or do people usually use ropes? Are we going after the rope moguls for being merchants of death? Tom, you have done this sooooooo many times. You know how Jocal keeps telling you that you deliberately lie and distort ideas as an ever faithful gun club member… well you're doing it now. I don't know which gun nutters website you got this from but the graph doesn't reflect the world Health Organisations statistics at all. Sweden, Ireland, Australia, Argentina, Canada, New Zealand (yes they have less now your graph is out of date),Germany, Switzerland (Ditto), Norway, Denmark, Portugal, Netherlands, Singapore, UK, Israel, Spain, South Africa all have less suicides. Wikipedia Of all countries in the WHO stats, America is 50th out of 170 ,which is chronic underachieving in prevention of suicide for a wealthy nation. Guns are the main method in America but is not the most prevalent method world wide. May I suggest you delete your disingenuous little graph which probably goes back 10 years now. It's crap but I bet we see it again and again and again from you. MY PRECIOUS.
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    What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

    Most of our gun deaths are self-murders and our self-murder rate is average for a first world country and is considerably lower than countries with very strict gun control, such as Japan. You are a lying disingenous prick. America's suicide rate by gun tops the charts of ALL countries in wikipedia. NUMERO UNO. America's suicide rate in general is much higher than the average for the 1st world, which is surprising given the wealth and opportunity. Japan's suicide rate is an outlier not representative of the norm for the 1st world. As usual your misrepresentation smacks of a 15 year old enthusiast willing to sell out his community to keep his toys. Hey fucktard. Tom said suicide rate. Not gun suicide rate. RIF. Try again. Hey Dicknose, I addressed both.
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    What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

    Most of our gun deaths are self-murders and our self-murder rate is average for a first world country and is considerably lower than countries with very strict gun control, such as Japan. You are a lying disingenous prick. America's suicide rate by gun tops the charts of ALL countries in wikipedia. NUMERO UNO. America's suicide rate in general is much higher than the average for the 1st world, which is surprising given the wealth and opportunity. Japan's suicide rate is an outlier not representative of the norm for the 1st world. As usual your misrepresentation smacks of a 15 year old enthusiast willing to sell out his community to keep his toys.
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    Preventing Terrorists

    You are more than a sympathizer. When you call for disarming Americans, you are a co-conspiritor, or at the very least, a useful idiot. "Patriotism is as fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave, blind as a stone, and irrational as a headless hen." Ambrose Bierce. Nanny, you and the NRA are turning the word `Patriot' into trash with the love of your `PRECIOUS'
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    The serious transgender bathroom issue discussion

    I would have thought it easier to piss sitting down when you wear a skirt? Who has urinals in their houses anyway?
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    The serious transgender bathroom issue discussion

    You must have me confused with someone else. I am as far from being a prude as it gets. I could give two shits who is peeing next to me. I've very comfortably used co-ed bathrooms and showers and not blinked an eye. My issue is that young children should not be forced into being naked in a common changing area/shower room. Like it or not, there are perverts out there who will take advantage of a situation and could do real harm to a little girl (or boy). If the law opens it up for trans to use the girls public shower, then any man legally will be able to use that shower. You can't discriminate once you go down that path. I have no issue whatsoever with the whole trans thing..... its the real unintended consequences that are not being considered here in this rush to be so all inclusive. Pinnochio - are you ok with your young daughter showering next to a naked 50 yr old hairy dude in the public shower at your sailing club? See… there you go. My daughter tells me (right now in fact) that she has never had a shower in a common shower area like some men's bathrooms. School, university and her local surf club all have lockable cubicles. She's 20 and she reckons it's a non issue. Typically she is looking at me like I'm prudish… fer fuck's sake, I only asked for your sake. I'm fine with that. Is that true also (Lockable cubicles) for when you're getting dressed for after the shower? Or is it a common open changing area? No the cubicle contains a curtain, seat and clothes hook as well.
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    The serious transgender bathroom issue discussion

    How did you feel about when you were a 13 year old girl? You are pre-occupied. Cree-pee as JBSF would say. It's a non issue. You are trying to conjure up a terrible societal problem, where there is none, to justify your prejudices against the LGBT community like they somehow occupy the bottom end of morality. Show me some rich conservative people and I'll show you just as much dysfunction.
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    The serious transgender bathroom issue discussion

    Lighten up, Francis Sure, OK. but 14 pages of this crap is prudish. Millions spent on a Senate court case on whether Lewinsky sucked Clinton's dick (for another 10 bucks I'll tell you she banged him stupid on the oval office desk) . The point is that conservatives here are prudish and whilst this thread is 14 fucking pages long, a thread on Lewinsky/Clinton's fucking would be 1114 pages long. Prudishfuckingness You must have me confused with someone else. I am as far from being a prude as it gets. I could give two shits who is peeing next to me. I've very comfortably used co-ed bathrooms and showers and not blinked an eye. My issue is that young children should not be forced into being naked in a common changing area/shower room. Like it or not, there are perverts out there who will take advantage of a situation and could do real harm to a little girl (or boy). If the law opens it up for trans to use the girls public shower, then any man legally will be able to use that shower. You can't discriminate once you go down that path. I have no issue whatsoever with the whole trans thing..... its the real unintended consequences that are not being considered here in this rush to be so all inclusive. Pinnochio - are you ok with your young daughter showering next to a naked 50 yr old hairy dude in the public shower at your sailing club? See… there you go. My daughter tells me (right now in fact) that she has never had a shower in a common shower area like some men's bathrooms. School, university and her local surf club all have lockable cubicles. She's 20 and she reckons it's a non issue. Typically she is looking at me like I'm prudish… fer fuck's sake, I only asked for your sake.
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    The serious transgender bathroom issue discussion

    Lighten up, Francis Sure, OK. but 14 pages of this crap is prudish. Millions spent on a Senate court case on whether Lewinsky sucked Clinton's dick (for another 10 bucks I'll tell you she banged him stupid on the oval office desk) . The point is that conservatives here are prudish and whilst this thread is 14 fucking pages long, a thread on Lewinsky/Clinton's fucking would be 1114 pages long. Prudishfuckingness