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  1. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    if some of Vestas crew or even VOR oganisers are on trial in China, they would be very confident with your stance. Try to read complety and understand posts before replying. How old are you btw ?
  2. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Who told you COLREGS applies, here ? For China I doubt, Along his coastal border, China has described a Chinese Sovereigny Area where common international rules does not necessarily apply. You know, the area that extends till the spratley islands ... In other words, even if both boats may have been in fault regarding colregs (boat lights, safe speed, etc..), a trial (whoever is on trial) is already a problem for China. Because they'll had first to recognise if, yes or no, COLLREGS should apply.
  3. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    "good move" What a stupid stance ! Before stating that it is 'good' or 'bad', you'd better ask yourself many questions Why DF have been asked to continue by VOR control, when few minutes later you see Vestas track like if they are still searching a missing man. How was communication between fishing boat and Vestas How was communication between Vestas and VOR control How was communication from VOR with other, especially DF which was close and has a chinese speaking on board who could have talk with the fishing crew When did they realize there was still a missing man on the fishing boat After knowing that they finally discover the boat owner, unconcious, and had to lift him with helicopter. The matter to know if deploying a raft to facilitate the evacuation is compliant with the racing rules is completly irrelevant.
  4. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Factually FALSE The fact you didn't saw it does not make it a fact. Just after arrival (less than 1 hour), during the "LIVE', at the time there was crew children on boat still cuddling their fathers, (horace ones and Charles' ones for instance) Charles has been interviewed, and talked about the sadness of the collision, not knowing about the fatal casualty which was announced by hospital 1 hour later. You like facts (UTC): 17:12 accident 17:45 scally arrival 18:06 DF in vincinity 20:33 DF arrival 22:30 Hospital announce the fatal casualty As you like to use your 'french' : -> Maintenant tu as juste gagné le droit de fermer ta gueule car on a compris que tu t'y connais en imbécile heureux
  5. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Read forum, official news, before making complotist statement. A mayday has been done, Vor has been alerted, and all vo65 too. At the time DF were in the vicinity, they have been told to continue to not interfer with rescuing operation (commercial boat and chopper) Then when all was finished, Akzo WAS directed by VOR to see if Vestas need help to finish (ie if the hole in the hull could be a problem to them). The way you start with an opened question, following with some insinuation has nothing to do with a debate. It is just disgusting And at the time Winner and DF were celebrating, nobody had info about the fatal casualty.
  6. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    are you kidding ? This sounds just fake empathy and a lot of blahblah to say "The show must go on" Maybe cultural ...
  7. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    You’re going a bit fast here for me. Maybe a greedy fisherman and accomplices have tried to fish in a forbidden environnement ( location, period, quotas, licence) and deliberatly switch off all their lights, risking their own life but also those of innocent people. Particularly those of foreigners whose activity has direct benefit to local economy and indirectly helps poor hong kong people. Well, in fact we don't really know yet.
  8. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    I agree. If spratly Islands are chinese, then we are probably here in chinese territory too
  9. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Thoughts to VOR who minimized the problem, and asked DongFeng to continue. All minutes are important. If we learn that Vestas took half an hour to rescue all people, then VOR has a part of responsability. I hope for VOR that when they asked DF to continue, firefighters were already there
  10. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    google is your friend : An incident of crashes occurred on the sea off to the east of Waglan Island. Police reported to a mainland fishing boat about 2.32 am at a collision with a sailboat off the Waglan Island outside the waters of Hong Kong, in which 10 of the fishing boats fell into the sea Police and firefighters rescued them and sent them to Eastern District Hospital for treatment. However, until 6:30 am, one of them confirmed the death and the police are conducting an investigation.
  11. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    don't expect to see Vestas on village right now, they are going to another location. smelly fishermen is not good for media ...
  12. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Finaly, what I said some hours ago still applies. Only Brunel & TTOP are battling now
  13. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    I doubt. there is 35 miles difference in their current direction. and 15 miles in lateral separation. meaning if VS jybe now, there is still 20Nm difference. before DF last double jybe, there was 12 NM ofc, if you add lateral separation to DTF, DF seems close. but, on their next gybe, Vestas will have a positive VMG now ... The only chance is vestas is too confident and sleeping on the advance they see on 07:00 positions and think DF has about the same wind speed. If they could see the positions and wind map, sure they will jybe right now to cover their position. The more they wait, the better for DF
  14. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    It will be hard now for DF to gain 12 Nm before arrival. on average avg speed, they need to be 0.3 knots quicker than vestas till the end We can expect few tactical decisions for DF at north of philipines to put pressure on Vestas, but with AIS, DF can't do many things. They probably lost the race (I mean the 2nd place) at 01.14 01:30 UTC when they try to go norther to cover Akzo. At this time we can say nobody could predict the change in forecast, but tactically (on overall race) it was more clever to cover Vestas & Mapfre going more south with more TWA. 6 hours before, separating from akzo course was a good choice, but definitively they changed their mind (I hope Charles & Franck both agreed on this change, I remember different point of view were often an issue on Groupama) Now, for other positions, I doubt things will change now, except the battle for the last position between Brunel and TTOP
  15. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    It would have been fun. but the 18:53 "crossing" on 3d tracker is based on position SHKS had when they start stealth mode. so at this time they were about 2 hours in front of vestas