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  1. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Mapfre : TWD 314° Course 315° Do they use electric engine ?
  2. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    at the time you posted, I would have said Vestas, Mapfre, Akzo, DF, TTToP after the 13:00 update, DF, Vestas, Akzo, TTToP, Mapfre To summarize, I would say : The norther the better (and the safer) easter should be slightly better but with more miles to go. Still amazed by the difference made by Akzo to Mapfre last hour in so close area and last but not the least some will tell there is lot of strategy involved by navigators, blah blah blah Reality is : there is 2 options you can choose (more East or more West, especially if you had miles to catch up) but considering the forecast they have, the rate of update, it is just dice playing right now.
  3. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    On video I've seen Cammas steering the boat, doing the nav, and even cleanning the boat. All the chores for the newbie. It's a kind of hazing !
  4. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Often the speed difference comes from things (algae or even plastic bag) in the keel. obviously for the last 30 minutes DF has something (according to data), but they probably wait for their little Jybe Most of the time, the dirty stuff goes without doing anything it is very costly to send someone diving
  5. What is your agenda against DF ? Everyone here knows they are the best and don't do mistakes Something may have broken in Charles' brain, but it is still an accident.
  6. Well, Dick Feng is gonna lose his 2nd place to Vestas and Brunel now. Despite both models (ECMWF & GFS) told they had to gybe 8 hours ago to stay in front of them. 3 big mistakes in the same LEG can't be called bad luck ...
  7. I don't comment LEG1 which is probably the best DF did with their come back. Few media reported that DF did say they hit something in Gibraltar (probably a plastic or wood stuff) and then saw other boat going faster "at their right and at their left" for a while (http://www.ocsport.com/en/news/view/dongfeng-race-team-complete-impressive-come-back-to-score-valuable-podium-i#.WjxkNnkiHQw) They later also hit something else which had no consequence (probably a big fish) But of course, on the 1rst race you can't claim too loud "I am happy of our come back and without the incident we could have been 1rst"
  8. 1. Partly true, but we can't exagerate the weight of one or to chinese onboard Beside, if not experimented, they proved to learn quickly. 2. 2012 Dunno for others but Cammas did work on the design to optimize reaching. He did not only rode on it. Failures put aside, routing strategies where more interresting. With leaders being conservative and challengers inovative, like it should be. My main concern about Caudrelier is he run the boat without taking (enough) into account others' position You can tell the 'late jybe' in LEG2 was a lack of luck, but he did same mistake in LEG3. Models are not perfect, you have to make compromise and extrapolate worst case scenario. But also, you have to keep in mind that the goal in such a race is not to have the fastest course, but be in front of the others And tactically, it is very different. I hope DF will start stealth mode soon, to put pressure on Mapfree who currently has an easy game.
  9. Clearly, XF Asked the right thing at the right moment, at the time where each mile counted double (*), DF tried esoteric options instead of keeping his lead, like in match racing. (*) everyone knew that the two leaders will be in a position where the rich will become richer, and that was not to the leader to take risky option... Hearing Bidégorry in the video saying "we have to wake up people in advance to prepare a jybe because it is cold and wet outside and it is what is complicated" make me laugh. OMG, it is not like the love boat ! Sad to see, once again, the lack of vision of Caudrelier Sad to see so much people amazed by this race when reality is the level is poor. Seeing regularly DF in 1rst or 2nd place when you know that Caudrelier would have hardly his place in the top 5 french sailors (Gabart, Camas, L Peyron, Desjoyaux probably well ahead), if not even in the top ten, tell a lot on the level of other teams... Volvo65 is probably better and more robust boat than volvo70, but 2011/2012 VOR was clearly at a higher level F. Cammas/Groupama, I. Martinez/Telefonica, C Nicholson/Camper and K. Read/Puma please come back !
  10. Limits of the mercator map : The shortest route right now for leaders (orthodromy) is at 93° meaning East and slightly South ^^
  11. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    /me send a hamburger to Charles
  12. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    a "live" which is not live ... they did same trick in leg 1 :-(
  13. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    DFRT probably asked to slow a bit for media timing and refueling helicopter this coverage is a joke
  14. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    Here are last positions recorded on tracker, before Vestas went in stealth mode I guess DFRT will manage to keep Vestas in AIS range (8 to 12 Nm)