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  1. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    I've said this before - but the excitement of open box rule was illusory. It was an excitement of not knowing something that was already predetermined. About as good as checking your lotto tickets after the draw. Sure you don't know if you have won, but the answer you get is already determined. The VOR winner was determined way back when the initial design choices were made for the boat. Everything else was just grinding out the inevitable. The sailors had a pretty good idea after the first leg as well. Many teams knew half way through the first leg they had a shitter and were toast, despite the money spent. Now it is only the sailors on board are the ones that make the difference. You might complain that it is boring - but that ignores the simple reality that in this race the sailors are working harder than ever before to try to make up tiny distances. Scallywag is 60nm behind and feel gutted? Look back to the VO70 days, some boats were hundreds behind by now. And that was exciting? It was exciting when one of them dropped a mast or started to come apart, but that wasn't racing, that was just spectacle. The trick is to look at the reality of the race. There is 10nm across the top 4 after 9 days racing. That is 0.5%. If you were watching an F1 race that would be an exciting race. Yet somehow the complaint is that it isn't exciting when there is constant head to head competition? Competition where a single mistake will send you out the back of the pack? No, it isn't the VO70 days*. You can't watch the race with the same eyes. It is a race between teams, not a race between boats. *Like most people here, I love the VO70s. There is nothing to match the sheer menace those beasts have. Some of the recent helicopter shots of the VO65s sort of just started to give a hint of that, but it was only enough to make one remember what the real thing was like. Go back and watch some the glorious footage of the 2005 race again, and you will remember. In retrospect the VO60 is a mistake for just this reason. There is an intangible fabulousness of the idea of punting those big brutes around the planet that pervades the VOR when they ran with VO70s. That is missing from the VO65, and will be even lesser with the VO60.
  2. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    I usually try to be civil about most things, but, seriously, this is all getting me down. The clutter is making the forum painful. Can everyone just put Mr A4E on ignore and get back to the race. I just have.
  3. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    Right now is a very good argument for hourly updates. The dichotomy between real-time and six-hourly is ridiculous. And it isn't fixed by the "experts" deciding something interesting has happened. Right now something interesting is happening - albeit very slowly. Not just the two lanes, but for all the world it looks as if Dee has clawed out a tiny bit of leverage and might make up a bit more ground than just the queue through the lanes would suggest. Just being able to see how she is doing every hour would reduce much frustration. As it would for watching the others choose their lanes and suffer the results. Just finding out the answer six hours later is no fun. It is like watching the start lap of an F1 race, going to bed and reading the results in the news. It doesn't matter that it was a procession, you want to see the procession.
  4. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    WTF? I have refrained from commenting on the last few weeks of silliness. But seriously, these words makes no sense. They sound like the mutterings of someone who has read a couple of fictional books involving sailing and is regurgitating odd words that they they think have something to do with the subject, but don't understand enough to put the words into a sentence in a manner that has meaning. Your average kid learning to sail will know more than to utter such nonsense after their second one hour lesson.
  5. VOR 2017-18

    Engaging smug mode, this is exactly the most critical thing I though IMOCA would be worried about. The eco system of boats being passed through the fleet as skippers trade up and the top end commission new boats is a finely balanced thing. The residual value of the existing boats is critical to allowing this to continue. Half a dozen boats being injected in the middle of that eco-system would wreck it. It could easily cause the entire class to implode.
  6. VOR 2017-18

    Unless someone had their hand in the till it isn't going to be about money. (And that isn't out of the question.) Once the money is gone it is gone, sunk cost. Terminating the contract with STEAM is not going to do anything but cost more money. So there has to be a reason that makes it worth the pain. There are times when something has gone so bad that the only thing to do is to take the hit sooner rather than later. Maybe this was one of those times. My initial thought was that the whole thing had the mark of an internal political stoush within AzkoNobel corporate. It would not be the firs time a CEO is behind such a venture and others are trying hard to white-ant it, and cease on a convenient time when they can pull the trigger without the CEO getting in the loop early enough to stop it. But the later releases suggest that this wasn't the reason. STEAM isn't just ST. They minimally have a marketing guy and associated marketing firm https://www.linkedin.com/in/mataminiau/ https://www.augustandlouis.com/volvo-ocean-race/ One might imagine that there is a lot of potential to do something stupid here. Something that the principle sponsor might spit the dummy over.
  7. VOR 2019-2020

    Indeed, good point. Probably a lot of feedback from both VO60 sailors and new IMOCA-60 sailors about that.
  8. VOR 2019-2020

    There is deck probably up to about the mast. So some indication, but technically, no foredeck. And indeed, a very interesting curvaceous design. One would assume it is the latest thoughts on controlling green water over the deck. It looks almost like an inverse of the reverse camber deck seen on a lot of the latest IMOCA 60s. Maybe they can run control lines under the curved up parts, which might make the deck a bit more human friendly than square edged conduits.
  9. VOR 2017-18

    The point about replacing sails was that they degrade. So replacement meant a possible advantage. Foils don't degrade. So it makes as much sense to restrict replacement of a foil as a mast or a rudder or indeed any current foil. Just isn't worth the time thinking about. It isn't an issue and I am a bit bemused by anyone thinking it might be.
  10. VOR 2017-18

    My recollection with foil construction is that it is the tooling that is the dominant cost. The lay-ups are pretty extreme, but the tooling is built from CNC cut steel and has to be extraordinarily strong to make for strong cure. So if you are making a starboard and a port foil, you have two sets of tooling that may cost hundreds of thousands each. OD foils should be able to get a vastly cheaper per unit cost. Not that they won't be eye-wateringly expensive, but they shouldn't be quite so ruinous. A lot of the structural problems in the new IMOCA-60s came from the switch to stringer and skin construction instead of cored. In general it seemed that the designers went a bit aggressive with the weight reduction (as the IMOCA class is wont to do) and they had failures. Luckily this is an easy fix. (IMHO it is a vastly nicer build technique than cored, and overall I suspect we will see far fewer major hull failures as a result of it being picked up again. I hope it will translate to the new VO60 mkII)
  11. VOR 2017-18

    Clearly Sir Ben then.
  12. VOR 2017-18

    Will Oxley would be perfect. But he might feel he has done his time. But no doubt, he ticks pretty much every box. You would have to imagine that he has been the recipient of more than a few phone calls by now.
  13. VOR 2017-18

    Adrienne would be nice, especially given her history with the VOR, but I really doubt she would be up for it now. I'm really hoping it is Libby Greenhalgh. She is one of the few that could step onto the boat and be up to speed right away.
  14. VOR 2017-18

    Not wishing to get into an extended argument, but there is a big difference between meeting the letter of the law/regulations and answering an enquiry when there has been a fatality. The problem the VOR would face is that they previously mandated AIS. The current VOR rules still mandate AIS. They would not be explaining how they still met the letter of the law. They would be explaining the manner in which they decided that what was once a mandatory safety requirement, as judged by them, was no longer a mandatory safety requirement, and why this change of designation was based not upon a careful review of the safety of the race, but upon a simple commercial decision designed to maintain control of information. There is no useful way out of this. A marine accident enquiry is not going to just look at the regulations and say - "that's OK, off you go". Once there has been a fatality things get very very messy. And the VOR and MT would have to endure the public nature of the accident. The court of public opinion would not judge them kindly. Which is why it is quite possible such a situation may result in the Volvo deciding the VOR was over. A company with a major reputation for safety is not going to endure the spectacle of a fatality occurring because it decided to disable a once mandatory safety system for no better reason than to deny fans information.
  15. VOR 2017-18

    I think that the chances of the VOR having them turn the AIS off simply to prevent access by some of the fans is zero. COLREGS or not, no AIS is a significant safety issue, and the risk of an at sea collision because a large ship can't see a VOR boat is not zero. If such a collision did happen the inquiry and finger pointing would be at best "career limiting" for MT and may well sink the VOR as a race. Imagine facing up to a marine accident enquiry and answering the question about why the AIS was turned off. Boats were fitted with them, in previous races use was mandatory - so explain why it was so before, and not now? You can point to COLREGS all you like, MT's career would be over, and the VOR may well never run again.