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  1. These days can't you just take a drone with you? Could get shots from all angles and no one has to be banished to the launch.
  2. Upwind foiling probably depends on heeling to windward (like the moths and foiling kiteboards). That gives you more righting moment and some lift from the airfoil (sail or wing).
  3. I think the main furls into the boom. Not sure what brand.
  4. I just can't really believe this is happening. To get speeds anywhere near what we had this year, they'd have to make a monohull much more dangerous. Foiling with a wing mast is about as efficient as you can get, and minimizing the weight is pretty important. So, the boats will be much slower, except in much more wind. And if they are that fast, they will be very dangerous around the buoys. I will watch anyway, and I will be very interested to see what happens. But I sure hope some series goes for winged foiling cats.
  5. I think it will be interesting, but I don't think the boats will be "roughly the same".
  6. What's the timeline for these boats? Will the info come out in dribbles while the upcoming race goes on? Or is there some clear date or dates that they will unveil the details?
  7. That's very nice, Bob.
  8. Every time I see that, I wonder if a jib that had a track instead of that boom, with a shorter foot, but better seal to the deck, would be at least as fast and not as dorky looking. And probably save money as well.
  9. In my experience, much of sailing involves risk/reward decisions, and if you take too many risks, you are courageous, but your results become very erratic. I didn't mean to suggest that they were poorly informed, but that they took risks that others didn't. It did benefit them sometimes, but not all the time. Informed and risky are not mutually exclusive. I was not on board, and I don't have the data they had. I don't even have any stats. It just seemed to me that they were often taking a different line.
  10. My recollection of SCAs problems last time was that they would take risks, and sometimes they would pan out, but they did it too much and would always lose out by mid-leg.
  11. ^ Nice to hear that perspective. I'd like to try cat sailing. Hopefully someday.
  12. That seems true to me in conditions that don't involve chop. On SF Bay, you can have a 5 foot chop, and that causes a lot of wind shear, especially in smaller boats.
  13. I know that all this has been said better above, but I feel like saying it. The wind higher up has less friction from the surface, so it is moving faster, so the apparent wind is bent less by the speed of the boat and is not as far forward. Higher up on the sail also has more leverage, so power up there results in more heeling moment. So reducing the angle of attack up there gets a better angle of attack on that wind and reduces drag/heeling moment more readily than down low. Twist is induced by raising the boom. That is controlled by the vang and/or the sheet. Angle of attack is controlled by the traveler, and in the case that the vang is used, the sheet. The Cunningham controls the depth or camber of the shape of the sail, and the place on the sail that has the deepest point, not usually the twist, by putting tension on the luff, thereby lengthening it, and so the part of the sail next to the luff is under more tension and is flatter. Reducing the depth/camber of the sail and moving the deepest point of the sail aft reduces power. On most rigs, the mast can be bent more or less to flatten (more curved), by pulling the luff forward, or deepen (more straight) the sail. But that really only works when the point of sail is high - close hauled/tacking because that is the axis of the mast, and most masts don't rotate, so if the sail is out for reaching, putting curve in the mast does not have the same effect.
  14. SMA: One race means little in sailing... And they were likely allowed much more latitude in preparing their boat for the race vs. the strict OD VO65. And it's also a much more open class in the first place. And 600 miles double handed is a lot different from a leg that is 10x as long.
  15. It gives me great comfort that he can't fit the code into a tweet.