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  1. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    Leg 4 was the most readable yet. Too bad it got blown up at the end. Getting acclimated to every leg having its troll bait issue. Much to be said for starting alt-thread/ honeypots in time. Worked for the other legs. So for fun, let's preempt some of the specuguessing of the first-world problems that will blow up this leg. If needed, we can work to divert them in a timely fashion. Place your bets: External issues? VOR management, probably. Might even have a gender twist, featuring Karin Backlund. Would be wild if Mark Turner returns, with a letter from the courts reinstating him as skipper of the VOR. Or maybe an IOC investigation into host city bid corruption somehow. If OBRs to be muzzled even more, that would be an issue only cared for by the regulars, and would be properly handled in-thread. There are always the tracker issues too. Sailing Illustrated belatedly added a half-assed credit to forss (not by name), and the SA front page of SA didn't. Sheesh. Shades of the vendee daily show all over again. Natural disasters? A volcano erupting near a boat, like the one witnessed when PUMA -took the flyer north past Japan in 2012--think that was what Kenny D recalls. Last two editions leaving China, sickness was an issue for crews. Doubt if it is enough to warrant an alt-thread, but who knows. Most likely issue, maybe this time, will be environmental, like carbon knives and sushi. Or maybe a boat gets caught up in a plastic gyre. That would bring out the righteous social justice warriors. International issues? Will probably be worked out by the start, or will have been covered in their own leg 5 thread. Hate to think what kind of thread would be generated if, say, Pascal and Witty ended up in a PRC jail. MAPF at least waited until the end of the last edition for that Teams sure have a tough test getting around the physical and social challenges between them and the finish. More seriously, this leg I'll be watching especially for: -TBRUN to finally figure out their speed deficits. Bouwe and Cape are finally on it, (cf last few from-the-boats and dock interviews, thanks SC, Renny and the regulars). So if a swan song (SC), then they want to go out proudly. Not much choice since the other teams seem to be further up on the learning curve. -SHKS? It's TTOP's turn to cash in on the chances. SHKS--still to prove they can compete in other than trade winds or a gybefest in granny-gybe conditions. Still sceptical of anything Witty says. Redemption still interesting. Too soon to say what will happen to VS11, but still think their numbers approach and shore support havn't had the chance to shine yet. Still watching to see if it can work (ugh Probably into Newport and if so, would have to read around entitled American shills). -AKZO--hmm; wild card. Simon and Nicho seem to have worked out a good working relationship, and conditions this leg should temperate Nicho's boat-breaking jinx , barring another storm that tempts the fleet to hole up in "Sanya" for the leg start. They proved themselves well-along the "steep learning curve" (thanks Rennie for those vids). MAPF will be steady and have taken their lumps and seem to be unfazed by the recent drama and doldrums. Vila should be better prepared without S-H distractions (I hope), but he is an old man, so maybe enduring another doldrum leg will be tough. And MAPF still hasn't matched or improved on DF'RT's 'turbo' slot. Ñeti better be running simulations with Neal MacDonald polars in the VORG in preparation for leg 7 if he is to be back then. DFRT? Pascal has had a chance to think and plot and recover, and I expect he'll be eager to prove himself to those harsh french fans. (aside: pardon my Commonwealth sense of fair play and sport--never could get into the ghetto-ball trash talking mode). Expect they'll win this leg, but would like to see if they could handle a Doldrum or jury or team setback as impressively as MAPF did in leg 3, and the last two editions. DFRT/Groupama have proven they can handle equipment failure equally as well as Telefonica/MAPF. so don't expect much difference there. Yep. Looking forward to this leg, Hardly any social or equipment issues likely to distract from the best chance to see the best teams of sailors proving they best know how to get the same boat around the world quickly through almost all conditions nature and geography presents.
  2. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Tracks often update after positions. Zoom levels affect scaling on different platforms and software code. Often need to check against multiple browsers and refreshes, and even then not definitive. E.g, Vendee last year. RC had to put out a bulletin saying a competitor did not infringe, despite tracker tracks. Too, Groupama once cut across the desert into Abu Dhabi. Links available in a few weeks if you like. Probably already answered long before this post gets actually posted
  3. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Addition to what SC posted about MAPF's tweet https://twitter.com/desafioMAPFRE/status/954420799389102081
  4. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Live when 1/2 hour out. Now, I guess.
  5. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Not back--still a week of suffering to go, but timed breakfast with the good WIF to catch the finish Truly, this thread is the best way to follow the race thanks to all who contribute. Sorry I've been a leeching slacker (but not unappreciative), but will make it up when I can. So good to read all the lurkers who broke and posted good stuff to the thread.
  6. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Agree mostly--haven't figured out whether Witt's "world championships" is bogan exaggeration, a fair description, or dishonourable conduct unbecoming a gentleman in a gentleman's sport (or whatever the PC term will be). Have read and enjoyed almost all the posts, but been unable to follow up on the bandwidth megabyte-sucking damn vids Yup. Probably this is the last edition where the public is faced with fake hidden news. By next time AIS should be even more accessible. (aside to FV, or anyone,, I'll chip in $50 if you want to play with a subscription) Excellent--Carlin has drunk the Kool-Aid, and sided with those of us who detest the secretive proprietary industrialists who try to monetize it . The money allows the sport to evolve, but racing will happen anytime a couple of sail powered boats are close enough to see each other and others who have sailed get to watch. So many good points in his post, especially that the "secrets" are being cracked open: teams are definitely more equal. (TBRUN too, if Bouwe's comments are signs that he and Capey 'get' that something is amiss. With their experience, I'd bet they too are going to figure out why they are slower in some conditions). SHKS does not "deserve" to win--TTOP is more "deserving". So ironic that SHKS happened to be in the DFL position that was key while TTOP had worked into the lead. And then the wheel turned and SHKS found themselves fighting to hold on with TTOP at the back. TTOP's turn will come, and they'll be better prepared to maintain it. Good on SHKS. Makes a great story, and helps redeem the past. Best edition yet . (merde. 21 replies since. Oh well--will post anyway)
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  8. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Isn’t that from the last edition? Sorry if I laughed incorrectly.
  9. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Gotta love sailors and their superstitions. Would be a good topic for the OBRs. Would guess sailors could compete with baseball players on that topic. Anway, enjoying the catsup, but hoping someone recalls when Witty said this: Was quoted here a few days ago when SHKS was DFL and didn’t look like they stood a chance. and I think elsewhere, but never did find the source and context. Rather interesting in hindsight. aside: glad you and jack are more readable—looking forward to following up those views of the past. Especially glad to see SC getting appreciation for his contributions.
  10. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    God, hope nothing like that. Anyway, Bruno is praying for guidance? http://sailinganarchy.com/2018/01/13/outside-assistance/
  11. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Easiest way is to copy the Twitter generated link from the faint small dropdown "v" on each tweet paste the generated link, and depending on your platform, the forum software takes care of it (I usually have to choose the "paste as plain text" link at the bottom of this reply box to embed).
  12. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Woke up, saw this, thought you’d enjoy the wit cheers, looking forward to ketchup in my morning.
  13. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Ketchup sucks. Well, that looks bad for MAPF, TTOP and TBRU, even with 2900 nm+ to go. Looking forward to . . . something. Philippines? Finish? How much the deficit can be reduced? Oh well. Will be a good scramble for the podium.
  14. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Re Conrad, typical response to his recognition:
  15. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Thanks for digging up the rules in play. There are also the new rules about encryption, but those only confirm what you already posted.
  16. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Crew Communicators: http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/news/9256_Sailors-can-use-social-media-onboard.html and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm86c3yFnOs edit: from the Mark Turner part of this edition. Can't say what may have changed since.
  17. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Yeah, wondered about that, but couldn’t tell if it was by choice. So often there is no choice.
  18. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    I’ll wait for the fat guy to start singing. Great race—finally teams have reduced the deficit of experience /VO65 local knowledge enough to be competitive with the red boats. A safe bet would be that MAPF grinds ‘em down over 2000 miles. But, that would be a 69.
  19. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Just in from MAPF from Ugo, to tide you over. Neptune and beefcake https://twitter.com/volvooceanracee/status/951832615149080576
  20. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Have to wait for the YT Live to hear about the 3 ocean current models that VOR provide, but interesting that Rosco also uses another (private source?) with 3 weeks accuracy that they upload to the boat at the last minute. Good comment that Pascal is an excellent driver because he knows the performance data. Hmmm. Numbers guy who can use them to ‘feel’ the helm.
  21. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Good Live--shows how the sailors find the doldrums interesting. Laughed at Sam's "death star of a cloud".
  22. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    "60/40" said Nicho about the chance of a picking the right side of a cloud. So, of the many chances the navs had to pick the 'right' side, who failed less than the others? Still a few clouds to go, but so far SiFi is winning.
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    Haha. Still laughing.
  24. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    The boats are already equipped with a yellow brick tracker in case of a capsize , but in any case, the data has already been transmitted to Alicante, so no need for another transmission. btw, the playback track data is sitting on all our computers, but encrypted. Stan honey and SiFi have known for years how to extract it for analysis. the teams asked for fewer updates on the boats this edition Pushing the data to the fans is not a technical issue. Only thing I can guess for the manpower is on the team side. Staffing for more frequent analysis coming out of the RC might be an issue. Maybe to keep team costs down? Bruno Dubois mentioned in the Live a few days ago he oversees a staff of 40. So, perhaps the next argument we’ll hear is that too much team manpower is needed to analyze the data. Ñeti might be look like he’s playing the game, but maybe he’s actually analyzing the VORG data routes
  25. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Will be glad for them, and wouldn't be much of a surprise. But then, wouldn't surprise me either if MAPF surprised them Even though teams figure they have another 24 hours before they can settle into the drag race, this leg is showing that it's not just a two boat race anymore, Happy skiing, or memories thereof.