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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Maybe the lack of TV coverage has more do do with how well (or badly) your sailors are doing, rather than the class they're racing? Here in the UK there is always plenty of coverage of the Olympic sailing - is this because we normally win a handful of medals in the sailing? You are right Jackett, NBC's coverage is focused so exclusively on gold medal winners from the USA, there is pretty much zero coverage of anything else. They are so fixated on this that they are more likely to show Michael Phelps just sitting in a folding chair with his headphones on waiting for the next event than an actual event. There was a swimming race last night where the guy in lane 7 got a bronze and there was zero mention of him afterward, or the silver medal winner, even though a swimmer in lane 7 winning a medal that is a rare occurrence as they would have the 6th fastest seed time with only lanes 1 and 8 being slower. We never did figure out who he was.
  2. Since the lead story on SA had to do with proposed Olympic classes for 2020, I expected to see a thread. Not seeing one, here is my opinion. The idea that adding a hot boat like the 49er sounded good in theory. It would go fast and would be exciting to watch. But really, I can't seem to find coverage of Olympic sailing despite having cable and other subscriptions. It seems to me that adding the 49er did zero for viewership. Now there are suggestions to drop the 470. Because the 470 is really just a grown up 420/FJ which is raced in colleges all over the country, I think it better represents real sailing. I'm not sure what the population of 49er sailors is, but I expect it is really small and not representative of anything and only the few who work to learn how to sail the beast have any chance of success. But if the goal is something flashy, then add kiteboard as the new flashy class and drop the 49er. I see it this way: Laser and Radial - singlehanded class (most popular single handed class worldwide) 470 - double handed class (only representative of a "normal dingy class") Nacra - catamaran class (good inclusion because they are fast and popular, maybe should be an offshore/beach event) RSX - windsurfer class (that get a whole different type of sailor than the Laser and 470, and who wants to car top their board) 49er - hot experimental class that gets almost zero press. At least kiteboards get a lot of press. There should be a 3+ person keelboat, maybe Viper, but lots to choose from.
  3. Also, at least read Sail it Flat or this:
  4. At 210 lbs, you should pray for lots of wind and I hope you can hike.
  5. Where did the photo come from? I am not sure where they got it from but the Coast Guard shared it via twitter. There is no mainsail on the boom. I would doubt that with four people living on a boat at anchor, that they have room to store it below. I can't even make out that they have a mainsheet. If that is the case they may have been using the outboard, which would quit working in even moderate seas, or using the roller furling jib, which with old equipment could have jammed making it impossible to roll up, if needed. I can't seem to make out any jib sheets though. It looks like life jackets are piled on the deck. Not sure what the yellow thing is on the foredeck, a sail? A wind scoop? A raft? If they were trying to motor their way offshore, with that outboard, It would not be good, but shouldn't have sunk.
  6. Where did the photo come from?
  7. I see that the boat was reportedly a 29 foot SeaFarer built 1976.
  8. It was reported that there were only 7 lifejackets on board. Hope that's not true. Very sad. Sounds like they may have failed to check the weather before leaving. I can't imagine not putting on lifejackets when you have kids on the boat, the weather is so bad you are having to call in, you are in a boat that needs repairs and you are offshore.
  9. Read through most of the comments. However, this is as good a place as any to start. 1. Don't think RRS is the issue. Getting a race committee and other support people can be an issue. Like some of the other posters I think intimidation for newbies is a problem. Older sailors are dying off, and younger people seem to want to do something extreme, but which appears to have a short learning curve. Jet skis, or backpacking for example. You would also be suprised at the number of people who are afraid of sailing. Movies don't help. Sure Capt Ron was fun, but most are really more of horror flicks. Who want to go sailing after seeing Dead Calm, White Squall, the Reef, Adrift, All is Lost, etc. 2. Not sure about the short course requiring more talent is it. Windward leeward may be part of it. Triangles were abolished because they were said to be uncompetitive on the reaching legs, but at least you got to go fast and it did not require a lot of crew work so you could have a sandwich or a beer. Reaches may not be as tactical, but I'd rather be on a reach. Longer races may involve less experienced crew when they are really just big cruising flotillas with trophies, but they take a lot of time so you can't do that many. 3. I think spending limits and the overall price of the sport is a huge factor. You can do a lot of sports for less. It's not just the arms race of spending, but especially older boats, there is the arms race of time spent on boat maintenance. Someone with a ton of time can sure keep their boat in tip top racing shape. There is also the problem of class. Top racers often tend to go with the hot new boat, that those for which racing is not their number one priority just can't afford. As an example, The Gulf Yachting Association just ditched the Flying Scott for the Viper. Sure the Viper is an outstanding boat, but probably costs 4 times as much to be competitive. It also seems to have replaced the J22s, which was a fine racing boat. In a few years, it will be something else. It really helps to have critical mass in a one design fleet. Even the lowly Laser, now costs $6,000 and the life expectancy of the hull and sails is pretty short. There aren't too many 10+ year old affordable Lasers that are competitive, so every few years you have to drop another $6,000 and this is the entry level option for those who are in physically pretty good shape. Spending must also be compared to other options. I know a ton of people who are into marathons and bike races. Marathons require a pair of tennis shoes! Sure you can spend a couple of grand on a bike, but they are still cheap compared with sailboats. Also relatively cheap are golf clubs, climbing shoes, shotguns, gym membership, standup paddle board, kayak, scuba equipment, fishing pole, skis and boots, 4. People will race even if they don't win. The problem is they won't race if they think they are going to be embarrassed. If you were to sail something like a Flying Scott, how far back would you really be? However, in some some classes, bad sailing really separates people. In handicap racing, newbies usually can't afford boats that rate under 100 and when you have boats that rate from 70 to 270 you need too many classes to keep the fleets from getting too spread out. It's a little like cable TV, too many channels means nobody is watching the same show. There are too many one design classes and too much spread in the handicap classes. You may have a better chance of winning in a three boat fleet, but who really wants to race in a three boat fleet where the top guy wins all the time. It's more an issue of being boring than not getting the silver. 5. Time was not listed. But there just seem to be so many more demands on life today from work to busy weekends than there were 30 or 40 years ago. I wish I could be on the water everyday, but there are just too many responsibilities of things I have to do. 6. Exercise. According to http://www.outdoorfoundation.org/pdf/ResearchParticipation2013.pdf the number one reason people want to participate in an outdoor activity is to get more exercise. While racing can be very tiring and don't think it is perceived by most to be the same exercise as jogging.
  10. Not sure what the wind was at Bolivar, but my daughter's high school sailing team was stuck on shore because the high winds. They coach said the FJs get too torn up when the wind is over 20. Looks like a Hobie. Not aware of a 15 foot Hobie, but I don't think a 16 foot with one person in those winds is the smartest idea. A 14 foot would be a less risky option, but trying to right one in in 20+ winds would not be easy.
  11. Great quote. I do remember when racing around the buoys meant a TRIANGLE. I think the logic for doing away with the triangle was that there wasn't much passing on the reaching legs, but at least you got to go fast.
  12. Interesting that US Sailing had emailed me a survey recently. I listed several of the same points in the survey. I've been involved in a lot of youth activities. Most kids just want to do fun stuff with other kids, putting them by themselves in an Opti and telling them to win is not a recipe for success for most. Clubs also only want to work with those who can bring home trophies and really don't want to spend time with beginners. For those of us who have other lives, it's hard to justify spending $40,000+ for the lastest small race boat, when there are plenty of old one design classes around that have boats for less then $10,000. But you need critical mass and when those for which racing is their life constantly jump to the latest craze, those who race less frequently and not have the cash, but may be very good, have few options. Even the lowly Laser requires $6,000 for a boat with most of the used boats noncompetitive due to leaks etc. Now if you could buy just a Laser hull for $2.500, you will find the spars, foils, blocks, etc. have a longer life and you could race now and then for cheap. And yes, PHRF is an option, but if the fleet has lots of boats rated at say 120 and your tub rates 200, why bother entering? The handicap does not make up for the huge fleet separation. Who wants to race boats that are hull down after the first mark even if they give you a 10 minute handicap? Plus you get buried in bad air at the start. As far as the comment about attitude, it seems to be a lot friendlier at one design events.
  13. I don't think this is the right forum for this. I have friends who escaped from Cuba and tell of the oppression there. USA Today reported that as recently as 2012 there were 6,600 political arrests. I suggest you read "Against All Hope: A Memoir of Life in Castro's Gulag" before deciding to sail there. There are numerous other abuses by the government. I think people in the US are so spoiled by the freedoms they have they forgest what a blessing freedom is. Everyone should do their own research and make their own decision, but don't just go because it used to be forbidden and now you can. That is juvenile.
  14. Testicles, 1, 2... Testicles, 1, 2. This is your soul plane chauffeur Captain Antoine Mack speaking. Welcome aboard NWA flight 069 from the 310 to the 212. It's time to bust this coney y'all. In a hot second, I'll be hittin' them switches and gettin' this bitch pumpin' and jumpin'. So screw your shit on tight and enjoy the flight.
  15. It would be nice to know who's really running LaserPerformance. I found this on the BrandChannel website. Updated: Netto followed up with us to clarify that a "form letter" naming him as a creditor was dropped on his lap only a few days ago, when he learned about the bankruptcy. He also clarified the chain of events, including that the Maclaren bankruptcy filing in the U.S. was on Dec. 29th, but his employer didn't have the courtesy or decency to inform him before the letter. He also clarified that everything had been cordial between him and Maclaren management including Rastegar until he found out he had to "get in line as a creditor" — "I was notified of the bankruptcy almost two months after it had happened — by a form letter from the court — with no forewarning. My employers, with whom I was in daily contact, had not told me of taking this action. I was not irate at the time of the bankruptcy filing on Dec. 29 because I did not know of it. I only became irate when Farzad told me he wasn't paying me and to get in line as a creditor. Therefore it is not an action taken to protect them from any irateness on my part — all they have to do is pay what they owe to avoid that." Even though Farzad Rastegar's title is the CEO of Maclaren USA, based in Norwalk, Connecticut, where it operates a showroom, he controls the Maclaren brand and its various subsidiaries worldwide. Rastegar, a former non-executive director at the Apax Partners venture capital firm, acquired the Maclaren brand when its U.K. owner, Sunleigh, went into receivership in 2001. Whatever happens to Maclaren, Rastegar isn't reliant on its income for a living. He also owns the Ronson lighter brand once owned by business legend Victor Kiam (another disastrous acquisition that led to a shareholder revolt) and Sail Laser LLC, which owns the LaserPerformance brand that Maclaren just announced it's sponsoring. Rastegar also owns various properties, including the building at 150 Wooster Street in New York's Soho area, where Maclaren opened a design showroom on the ground floor.http://www.brandchannel.com/home/post/maclaren-us-bankruptcy-david-netto-030112.aspx