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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Out of Control Laser

    The bed sheet in the air is more powerful than the stick in the water. Newbies find this out quick enough.
  2. Prop guards for coach boats

    In other words, a jet drive? DO NOT EVER PURCHASE A JET DRIVE FOR COACHES OR SAFTY BOATS!! We purchased an additional boat to add our fleet to increase Summer Camp enrollment. Instead of the standard 60HP Mercery Marine outboard prop, it came with a jet drive lower. Not only was the thing loud as hell, it didn't have any reverse thrust. You need to have reverse to slow down if you are coming up to fast too to a person or object. In a boat recovery maneuver, you must be able to tow the boat into the wind. That means you are going in reverse against wind and waves. You are always aware of where the motor is and it is away from people and objects. We are replacing the outboard for a standard prop like all our other boats.
  3. Best trailerable sailboat for family of 6

    Flying Scot would be a good choice. Big, comfortable and one-design racing.
  4. new laser sail - availability

    There where only two laser sailors sailing Areo's out of the 13 in the last big regatta. The comment from every single one of them, whom I knew, was "When I'm sailing a laser downwind, I'm out of control." In other words, you didn't master sailing a Laser so this new toy is better. Like an Porsche with an automatic transmission.
  5. new laser sail - availability

    But if you improve the longevity of the boat then there is no constant stream of perfectly-good-enough-for-mere-mortals second hand boats, the second hand market collapses, new boat sales plummet, manufacturer support (if there still was any) becomes unsustainable, charter boats for the worlds impractical and so on. None of this stuff is quite as simple as it seems on the surface. Given the lack of new boats and kids aging up into the Laser class, the demand for boat is high. A boat from my fleet sold in less than a day; to a junior no less. A local dealer is struggling to get boats from LP and is selling charter boats at new boat prices to happy customers... in f'ng Mexico! Better build does not impact sales. It's all about the supply, stupid!
  6. new laser sail - availability

    There wouldn't be a replica sail market if LP had not been so greedy and raised prices sky high. As far as other builders, you can throw a stick any direction and find plenty of good builders. Rights holders do not necessarily need to be the builder. I suspect they leveraged the business to payoff something else. Remember, he owns several businesses and none of them are doing well. He fought the lawsuit to hold on to the value of licenses/rights/contracts. If they do decided to sell, the new owners will likely take on a lot of debit unless they wash it through bankruptcy.
  7. VOR 2017-18

    For many of us, we race OD and we can relate to the current format using OD. Starboard port tack crossing in the bottom of the Southern ocean. Near miss in the fog the first night after leaving port. Not sure what changes are coming, but I would not be interested in underfunded campaigns where the boats are in constant repair or dropping out because they ran out of money.
  8. new laser sail - availability

    I actually had an email conversation from an LP rep a couple of years ago when I was fleet captain. I informed him that we have 15-20 boats every week on Wednesday nights and that our SI state that non-class legal sails and replacement equipment were OK. He asked "What would it take to only allow class legal equipment?" I don't recall my response but it was most likely a figerative middle finger.
  9. VOR 2017-18

    Seb Marsset is on with Dongfeng! I hope Charlie and Mark are getting a team together.
  10. Dinghy Launch Dock ideas

    You guys had 6+ Areo's on a dock the size of a power room. Glad you found a fun boat.
  11. Dinghy Launch Dock ideas

    We have a Megabyte at CSC that goes out every Saturday. He launches from a sloping fixed dock that ends about 6" above the water. Only a Snipe or heavier would need/require a hoist. As a Laser sailor, I would want a long sloping ramp (fixed) that goes all the way to the bottom. Once I have the boat floated off the dolly, I still have something to stand on. A buddy can take the dollies back up or kick it over the dry side. Metal or some other durable grate would do. Booties required for safety.
  12. Dinghy Launch Dock ideas

    We have a similar set up for both of our ramps. Treated wood holds up very well actually since it will dry between usage. Use a piece of wood at the water's edge to hold your dolly wheels while you launch. It is not in the water continuously. Lasers, Sunfish, and V15 have no problems launching without putting wheels in the water. We do not use carpet and that might may be why it's so slippery. I am curious about the original poster's description of his current launch. The ramp is attached to the seawall and the drops down into the water. How deep is the water after the ramp? In the photo above, that is 15 foot deep water where LCYC has their dinghy dock. At TCYC, the ramp goes from the seawall into the water where it is knee to waist deep for several yards into the bay. They have a metal grate for the lower part and rough concrete (thankfully!) for the upper part. As far as ducks, that's a losing battle.
  13. 50 Laser Hulls At Wurstfest

    We are lucky to have an enthusiastic group that travels. One guy drove home to Indiana to get his boat for this regatta. Another flew in and borrowed a fleet boat. When there are 15-20 Aeros on the line every Wed night on average, maybe I'll consider it.
  14. Am I wasting my time with an Islands 17?

    Save your money and buy a used Scot or Viper. Sailing Portsmouth is hell unless you really like your boat.
  15. NYYC Race Week - Disruptive Gunboat crash

    You scuttle it near a merchant ship on a fake coastal delivery to Virgin Gorda and buy a new one. Then you pick up a new hull from a junkyard in St Georges +1