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  1. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Not the phantom I was referring to (haha I'm a true yankee by definition) but I do like the UK phantom. Cool older class with what looks like a strong active group of people.
  2. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Yep. Really a fine boat actually. I circumnavigated Hilton Head in 1985 on one with a friend. We left promptly at 0600 from Sea Pines clockwise. We were back in under 9 hours. We had a big breeze come up and capsized going downwind after passing Harbourtown. Then we beat out of the northern inlet and fetched along the coast with just a few tacks early on. Sunfish has the Cache as the original and of course it was a CT yankee like me and they sailed the first sailfish in my town...but the Phantom was a good and possibly better boat.
  3. Which three Asymmetrics?

    A1 A1.5 A2
  4. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    LOL the Phantom returns...
  5. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Well there you go.
  6. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    " What seems to be missing here, is good consensus building skills. Possibly both sides are missing those skills. " What seems to be missing here, is good consensus building skills. Possibly both sides are missing those skills. " Um, no. Clearly looking at the Laser thing recently, there is only one actor who lacks consensus. LP. That company needs to be drop-kicked. Fuck them.
  7. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    I think we could just make the same boat but cal it "realfish" Or "Redbreast" haha Class Insignia: Drawing by Joe Tomelleri
  8. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Now you are going from 20 year old information from Peter Johnstone so there is that.... But if true that is quite completely opposite what successful established class boats of that time saw for sales numbers. Lightings thistles stars snipes etc were over 95% racing sailors buying them. And over 90% of them were in the top 10% ofr their class rankings. But this is also 25 year old information... But it also makes some sense. The Sunfish is nothing like all those legacy classes. It has those market niches you mention. I have a friend with a dealership to this day. There are not a ton of orders but a few recent brand new boats went to non racing sailors.
  9. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Actually it came about because of recreational power boats. When we design tankers, there is essentially nothing proprietary you can do that would be protected. Unless it is something novel such as for instance an air lubrication system or some sort of patented propulsor.
  10. VPP for Contender Class (Dinghy singlehanded)

    Why? Why does this keep coming up? Seriously. You fleet race a contender. You figure out what angle to be at by dynamically paying attention. Velocity Prediction Program for a trapeze dinghy? Unless Frank Bethwaite wrote one, it simply does not exist...besides, prediction and reality are two different things anyway. Finally, you already know the answers. Superlight off the trapeze you sail angles. In 8 - 10 kts you sail deeper. In 18 knots you trapese plane angles. In survival you go a bit deeper. Same as any other trapese or hiking board boat. You want to know the exact angles? How are you going to measure that anyway? Just go sail the boat. Haha.
  11. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    I guess the middle class Chinese, who go to great lengths to procure food from outside of China are somehow magically interested in immersing the mselves in teh fetid toxic waters of China just for fun... ...yeah, right.
  12. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Maybe the pram builder thought the Optimist was a pram. Oh wait...
  13. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    LOL. This thread--so glad I've been missing out. What a time sucker.
  14. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Once again the SMOD shows how stupid it is in the long run. Short run it makes sense. Someone comes up with the idea. Someone takes capital risk to build. Long run sailors need value. I look at the Thistle as an example. The class and the premier builder have a good relationship. But this is in an open competitive environment. Builder always trying to do best value solutions because they are not protected.
  15. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    The idea of the class having to "play ball" with the builder is patently absurd of course. This boat design is way way way past patents, the intellectual property is mostly public domain at this point. The hull predates the Digital Millenium Copyright Act by many decades. You could make an exact copy of the hull and there isn't a damned thing LP could do about it. About the only thing they own is the class emblem. About the only thing that I would think could trip them up would be any contracts between the current builder and the class. The class is a real thing. They have status with the international and national sailing bodies. The builder does not. The class can do anything they like at this point. In fact they could simply amend their rules to allow more than one builder.