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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.


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  1. ETNZ capsized because BAR did a great job controlling them in the start to push them above the start line and leaving them with no runway to build up all important speed/trim (ride height) before the bearaway to dip the windward start buoy. Getting through this "danger zone" in these type of boats, in this breeze is a challenge and they need max speed to do so and they simply didn't have enough speed or room to dip the mark. I don't think they had any foiling/trimming issues (or any of the other reasons mentioned.......) Ben just did a great job controlling the all important windward end of the line. Pete will learn from this, even though we won't see these top end conditions again this AC.
  2. I didn't say I like it. The interior headroom on the bridge deck is seven feet (2.15 meters); with one meter of clearance underneath (claimed) and another ~1.5 meter up to the boom, the mainsail doesn't start until ~4.5 meters (~15 feet) off the water! They don't mention displacement. A beast. Doesn't look right to my eye at all. Your dimensions are way off...... I don't think it looks that bad
  3. Actually - they have very good visibility. They come with leeward waterproof cameras that display at the helm station. The cameras pick up the foreground so you can gauge angle and distance. It really works well. Otherwise (and not unlike sailing keel-boats that heel over and you cant see past the headsail), you develop a technique of monitoring any vessel that sails into your blind spot in much the same way as we used to do on keel boats. And yes we do sail them single handed. Fly bridges and pop through helm positions are ok, but I like to be outboard/aft where I can see the rig and waves easily and get a better feeling/feedback sailing. I guess its a personal preference thing.
  4. I didn't say I like it. The interior headroom on the bridge deck is seven feet (2.15 meters); with one meter of clearance underneath (claimed) and another ~1.5 meter up to the boom, the mainsail doesn't start until ~4.5 meters (~15 feet) off the water! They don't mention displacement. A beast. Doesn't look right to my eye at all. Actually it is 1m to bridge deck, 3.3m to top of cabin and 3.9m to foot of mainsail. There are 3 x versions and 2 x construction systems. The first one is carbon and painted. The next ones are Gellcoat. Tooling has been completed and the first ones are underway finally. Yep it is a bit of a beast. Its not an out and out racing cat by any means, but should sail pretty well. There are no free lunches…... everything is a compromise. There are some great cats out there. It just depends from where you are standing how something looks to you.
  5. I don't think anyone is saying it doesn't look fast and fun. They are saying it doesn't look like Ma and Pa cruising. From the GB web page... 5. MAINSAIL CONTROL SYSTEM: A light cat requires easy control of the mainsail. The helmsman trims the mainsheet with foot-pedal hydraulic pumps, and eases with the push of a button. The GUNBOAT G4 is the first high-performance cat to allow such short-handed control and safety. So the guy you've got mixing cocktails instead of mainsail trimming ,before falling 6 meters must be the helmsman. The slow rate of inversion will drown him slowly if he cracks his head on the rig on the way down. How much time have you spent sitting on a "fully turtled multihull" in cold shitty weather at night with the surge sucking everything out of the hulls, while you carry out first aid etc etc. Just ask'n. CAPSIZE IS SERIOUS SHIT Not sure why Gunboat would say the G4 was the first high performance cat to (quote) "allow such short handed control and safety"? If they are referring to hydraulic systems - Wally and others have been doing it for many years. Catamarans? The 2004 day charter Young 85 in the Whitsunday's has hydraulic sheeting and safety systems that have been in operation for over 10 years without issue. The 2010 TAG 60 catamaran has very refined hydraulic sheeting with intelligent safety/control systems. Both vessels have reached speeds of 30 knots and sailed many thousands of miles. That said, congratulations to Gunboat and the team that designed and built it, the G4 is a great boat, beautifully executed. Of course it can capsize and it can be a serious issue, but thats the game you play when sailing at very high speeds and especially with a new boat and mainsheet system that obviously needs some work….. I also don't think anyone would buy a G4 without understanding the nature of the beast. They have shown the G4 to be very robust and capable and things will only improve from here. What's exciting and even though foiling has been around for a while, we are still in the infancy of discovery. Foils and foil control systems and yes automatic control systems (herbies) will see foiling technology leap forward. Foiling and foil assist (modes) do belong in the cruising world. Sailing/flying above the waves, reducing passage times and having greater options on your angles and speed are all great benefits. Williwaw in the 60s/70s was a great pioneering vessel - as is the G4 now. Foiling racing/cruising vessels are on the horizon for sure. Not to mention fly by wire control systems that will be better than any helmsman and crew…. Now if only we had a car manufactures budget …….