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  1. Team NZ

    ETNZ capsized because BAR did a great job controlling them in the start to push them above the start line and leaving them with no runway to build up all important speed/trim (ride height) before the bearaway to dip the windward start buoy. Getting through this "danger zone" in these type of boats, in this breeze is a challenge and they need max speed to do so and they simply didn't have enough speed or room to dip the mark. I don't think they had any foiling/trimming issues (or any of the other reasons mentioned.......) Ben just did a great job controlling the all important windward end of the line. Pete will learn from this, even though we won't see these top end conditions again this AC.
  2. New cruising multis

    I didn't say I like it. The interior headroom on the bridge deck is seven feet (2.15 meters); with one meter of clearance underneath (claimed) and another ~1.5 meter up to the boom, the mainsail doesn't start until ~4.5 meters (~15 feet) off the water! They don't mention displacement. A beast. Doesn't look right to my eye at all. Your dimensions are way off...... I don't think it looks that bad
  3. New cruising multis

    Actually - they have very good visibility. They come with leeward waterproof cameras that display at the helm station. The cameras pick up the foreground so you can gauge angle and distance. It really works well. Otherwise (and not unlike sailing keel-boats that heel over and you cant see past the headsail), you develop a technique of monitoring any vessel that sails into your blind spot in much the same way as we used to do on keel boats. And yes we do sail them single handed. Fly bridges and pop through helm positions are ok, but I like to be outboard/aft where I can see the rig and waves easily and get a better feeling/feedback sailing. I guess its a personal preference thing.
  4. New cruising multis

    I didn't say I like it. The interior headroom on the bridge deck is seven feet (2.15 meters); with one meter of clearance underneath (claimed) and another ~1.5 meter up to the boom, the mainsail doesn't start until ~4.5 meters (~15 feet) off the water! They don't mention displacement. A beast. Doesn't look right to my eye at all. Actually it is 1m to bridge deck, 3.3m to top of cabin and 3.9m to foot of mainsail. There are 3 x versions and 2 x construction systems. The first one is carbon and painted. The next ones are Gellcoat. Tooling has been completed and the first ones are underway finally. Yep it is a bit of a beast. Its not an out and out racing cat by any means, but should sail pretty well. There are no free lunches…... everything is a compromise. There are some great cats out there. It just depends from where you are standing how something looks to you.
  5. Gunboat G4 Foiler

    I don't think anyone is saying it doesn't look fast and fun. They are saying it doesn't look like Ma and Pa cruising. From the GB web page... 5. MAINSAIL CONTROL SYSTEM: A light cat requires easy control of the mainsail. The helmsman trims the mainsheet with foot-pedal hydraulic pumps, and eases with the push of a button. The GUNBOAT G4 is the first high-performance cat to allow such short-handed control and safety. So the guy you've got mixing cocktails instead of mainsail trimming ,before falling 6 meters must be the helmsman. The slow rate of inversion will drown him slowly if he cracks his head on the rig on the way down. How much time have you spent sitting on a "fully turtled multihull" in cold shitty weather at night with the surge sucking everything out of the hulls, while you carry out first aid etc etc. Just ask'n. CAPSIZE IS SERIOUS SHIT Not sure why Gunboat would say the G4 was the first high performance cat to (quote) "allow such short handed control and safety"? If they are referring to hydraulic systems - Wally and others have been doing it for many years. Catamarans? The 2004 day charter Young 85 in the Whitsunday's has hydraulic sheeting and safety systems that have been in operation for over 10 years without issue. The 2010 TAG 60 catamaran has very refined hydraulic sheeting with intelligent safety/control systems. Both vessels have reached speeds of 30 knots and sailed many thousands of miles. That said, congratulations to Gunboat and the team that designed and built it, the G4 is a great boat, beautifully executed. Of course it can capsize and it can be a serious issue, but thats the game you play when sailing at very high speeds and especially with a new boat and mainsheet system that obviously needs some work….. I also don't think anyone would buy a G4 without understanding the nature of the beast. They have shown the G4 to be very robust and capable and things will only improve from here. What's exciting and even though foiling has been around for a while, we are still in the infancy of discovery. Foils and foil control systems and yes automatic control systems (herbies) will see foiling technology leap forward. Foiling and foil assist (modes) do belong in the cruising world. Sailing/flying above the waves, reducing passage times and having greater options on your angles and speed are all great benefits. Williwaw in the 60s/70s was a great pioneering vessel - as is the G4 now. Foiling racing/cruising vessels are on the horizon for sure. Not to mention fly by wire control systems that will be better than any helmsman and crew…. Now if only we had a car manufactures budget …….