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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Is it true the the class has effective tried to get rid of Kirby by changing the design sufficently to claim it is no longer Mr. Kirby's design. If that is so, it would not be an honourable course of action in my opinion.
  2. Having read a little more on the subject I support Bruce Kirby’s position. I am not sure of the legal process but I fail to see at what point the design passed from Mr. Kirby’s hands and into the public domain or the single ownership of one party. It is clear that parties lost the rights through bankruptcy but that does not mean others gained those right. You can be completely sure that if you buy a Shaw you are not getting the design rights, so I do not see how the act of buying a Laser has design rights attached to it. Therefore I do not see how the Class Association can claim anything by virtue of sailing the design and organizing racing. While there have been a number of tricky deals done by tricky people I believe the Spencer’s have behaved honorably as has Mr. Kirby. I believe the grass roots Laser sailors should be supporting Mr. Kirby by sending a clear message to the builders that they expect a boat free of legal disputes.
  3. I am amazed at how sensitive the Laser community is to anyone who does not go “hail to the mighty Laser”. All right, defense of their boat and the sport is great but they seem to see any new boat as a threat – why when they are so dominant. We all know that the Laser is here to stay – for now – but eventually a new class will supersede it. When that will happen nobody knows, but it will happen.
  4. These issues are in hand and have been carefully worked through. One interesting point is because I commissioned Rob to design the boat we share the copyright and IP under law. Not that it makes any real difference in practical terms. I am fully commited to my team and I am delighted with the way they worked together on this project. They have been professional in every respect. As for anyone else embarking on a dinghy development - I would say there is a lot more to it than you think!! if you start today you can expect to be in production in 2 years time (ask Hoot about it).
  5. My skateboarding son was a top footballer (great balance and speed) and he dropped that also. The young must have cool in my experience. This discussion should be about "how do we use the web to promote sailing". We need to stop posting crash scene videos (Cat and Moth) attract women to the sport and look at what the surf cothing companies have done. Companies like Zhik are trying hard - I support them, but we need to do more. We need a World Series supported by a major company and get into the mainstream media and web. Inject cool at every opportunity and stop looking backwards.
  6. The overwhelming impression I get is that, especially young people, feel stuck with the Laser because there is not an alternative. In a generation used to ever changing improvement young people almost apologies for sailing such an old boat and lament the fact that no viable alternative exists. The truth is that the Laser is not cool – like say Kites or Surfing, and this is resulting in the young leaving the sport after Opti's and in most cases never returning. This happened with both of my sons - one is a top skateboarder now
  7. The Shaw 4 in no way threatens the Laser (there is only one of them), but it is my opinion that the Laser world is in a mess. Do you think is it not a mess, do you think it is "business as usual"? It cannot remember the last time I heard someone say something positive about the Laser, other than there are lots (200,000) of them. Comments about its designer like "It seems that Bruce Kirby has at last applied a blow torch" refering to the builder does not sound like a happy working relationship dedicate to the future of the class to me.
  8. What a mess!!! www.shaw4.org/blog.aspx