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  1. DC Designs

    This was the second round the island race we did. A bunch of missed the official one for the silver, which chris won, so we did it again. great week of sailing. Chris is definitely a fast program, everything well sorted. Highlight for me was in 15 knots I was able to sail hot angles down wind and gain on Chris who was sailing deep. These boats get a lot cooler in my mind if you can sail them "wild" down wind.
  2. DC Designs

    What happened to Bill & big G? Bill is on his way up as we speak, should be arriving in around an hour. George unfortunately could not make it, he got roped into being an expert witness for a trial. We also expect to be joined by little brother David on sunday. best, Willy
  3. DC Designs

    Tommy you truly are a goddess.
  4. DC Designs

    Chris, looking god. How much gybe in the board and what are you doing to control it? Just got back from a week of camping an sailing in the 1000 islands, had at times 9 ICs, racing in a pretty damn cool part of the world. We had some really good close racing. Kells and I battled at the front. Again I seemed to have an extra gear upwind, but was hopeless on the reaches, starting to think that it is in no small part due to incompetence on my part. Bill Beaver was there and I think is now angry enough at being beaten that he has no choice but to build a new boat. John and I suffered breakages which took us out of the running for the series (the traditional Sugar Island racing schedule is a little weird), so after scavenging parts there was plenty of boat swapping. I think my next move is to take a router to the bottom of my boat and remove some of the curvature aft, see what that does. Chris was able to develop a working relationship with wonk and showed some great speed in the moderate conditions. Well its 3 now and I have a boat call in 5 hours, and I just drove 7 hours so I think I'm going to go get some sleep. Oliver Moore
  5. DC Designs

    Really all this changes is that it lays out how worlds will be run. If you want to win a worlds you show up in a new rules boat. If you want to be competitive internationally you want a new boat. All this does is it lets Sweden continue doing what its doing in its own country and gives them a name for it. I personally think they are wrong to not embrace the change, but hey thats their call and they can do what ever they want. Everywhere else in the world things move ahead as planned. The US nationals were already won by a new rules boat last year so we've already made that call. The overwhelming support of the change in the UK and Aus would indicate to me that their going to embrace the new rules rapidly. Who knows what happens in Germany. The new rules have sparked a flurry of interest and activity in three countries. I realize that the political process was pretty ugly, but we've gotten through that and thank you guys on the committee for your work, it is much appreciated. So now I think it is back to our regularly scheduled programing. The future is bright for the class as a whole. The movement continues. Who wants in?
  6. DC Designs

    molds were the bottoms of some 505 blade molds built for the pegasus guys
  7. DC Designs

    The thought process behind my gybing board was a little different than whats been said already. Steve and mine rational behind it was that in the light stuff and off the line you need a big board, ala the Clark standard mold, but at top speed that board is too big driving us to reef the board which is a definite necessity in big air. From a foil efficiency stand point reefing is bad, you lose aspect ratio and the board becomes higher drag, really you want a smaller board that is just as deep. So we figured we would put in the small board we wanted at top speeds and for low speed gybe it thus operating the smaller foil at a higher angle of attack. So when the breeze built instead of reefing the board I just took out the gybe. That was the idea at least, whether that is actually what is going on I don't know. What I do know is that this boat climbed to weather better than any other canoe I've sailed. I didn't realize what was going on until the end of the regatta but I had numerous moment on laylines where I thought I had understood and put the bow down sailing fast planning to do two tacks and before I knew what had happened I had climbed up to the mark. Also there was on instance where I had Del behind me and to weather and I just climbed up over him going out to to a corner. I always felt like I was in a bow down mode yet was always climbing on people. Now traditionally Steve has always been one to go low road but off a couple of starts he went low, Chris climbed off of him and then I was climbing off of Chris. So I am pretty sold that the thing is working. Also worth mentioning that the foil I was using was similar in area to the butterknife blades Beaver was using around ten years ago, which he loved when alone in a clear lane but couldn't get climb off the line with. Another point is the section I was using was fairly agressive. I'l attempt to attach a couple of pics from right after they were pulled.
  8. DC Designs

    Phil had standard new boat teething issues. Lashings chaffing through and the like, the kind of stuff you expect when the boats only had a couple of hours on the water. Definitely had speed though..
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    cant seem to log on to the class site at the moment. Someone mind pasting that over there Thanks
  10. DC Designs

    Here are my observations and thoughts following the IC worlds re the different designs. I was sailing one of the three Josie hulls that were there. Steve Clark finished second on his and Steve’s son Willy also had one. Steve and I had identical rigs but I was using a different foil package. Steve’s were his standard issue which he’s been using on nethercots for a while, pretty big board and the rudder is the same as the tip of the board. I used a set of 505 molds built for the Pegasus guys, and I was gibing the board. After the event I’m pretty sold that it is worth it. I was able to climb on everyone and had speed, definitely a winner. Hull shapes: The Josie hulls have a rectangular section forward, very full and flat. It’s very loud in the waves but you can push them harder and harder and she just skips right along. Steve is talking about rounding out the section a bit to try and quite them down a bit. We had one day with good 6-8 foot swells and when you fell off one of them the landing was definitely jarring, but I’m not sure how bad of a thing it is. Compared to the other hulls it seems to me that we operate in a much more of a planning mode. If you had the knuckle in the water she would sort of get stuck on it but you could easily pop it out and once you did she would skip along with the front six inches clear of the water. Definitely much more of a planning dinghy type of feel to it than the others. Chris Maas’s boat, String Theory, has a very different feel to it. It felt much more like a catamaran. String theory has a very very fine entry with a more rounded section. She feels very low drag, I never felt her get stuck and she got up to speed very quickly. The boat moving through the water looks smooth and effortless. In the video it looks like we were flogging the Josies much harder. I’m not really sure how much of a penalty Chris is paying having the winglets for the shrouds. At times he looked like he was shedding quite a bit of water off them, but we never had really choppy conditions. In talking with Chris he is thinking about adding some more volume down low forward to give him a little confidence in the bow not going down. The other thing he told me he was planning on doing was lowering everything as much as possible. Keeping the center of gravity as low as possible seems to make a huge difference in how stable they are. We spent a day trading boats after the event and it was shocking how different each of the different hulls were, and yet the racing was incredibly close. Allistar Warren’s Monkey had a completely different feel to it. She was wider than the others but she was always right there in the racing. Only sailed her for a little while so I can’t really say too much about her. Del Olsen’s Donkey was very interesting. Del took the bottom of a NOGO 55 hull, which is Bill Beaver’s design to the old one design rule, then cut it down and stuck vertical topsides on it. He made the bow as fine as he could, which ended up around the same as the Josies. I was most struck by how docile she was. In my short sail on here she seemed to me to be the best behaved of all the DC hulls. Del was working through some issues (he started building in August or something crazy like that) but had some definite moments of speed. John Kells’s Mayhem proved to be a very nice little boat. She is somewhat more along the Josie lines but a little less aggressive. John also had some breakages but definitely showed speed. He was right in the game upwind and I couldn’t hold on to him on the reaches. My biggest concern with the Josie hulls is that I was definitely slower than most on the reaches. Not sure how much of that is the hull and how much of that was how I was sailing the boat. I’ve never been particularly fast on the reaches but I had a very hard time holding on to people this last week. But when the reach was pretty fine and you could really light it up and get into a full planning mode I felt like I was moving on people. But definitely need more time in the boat to get a real sense of it. Phil Stevenson’s 21st Century Hollow Log is another one that is very different from the others. I sailed her in the Aussie nationals over last Easter so have a pretty good sense of what she can do. Down wind and on the reaches she is absolutely blazingly fast. The hull is very slippery and with the big mainsail Phil was able to do quite a bit of damage off the wind. Upwind he struggled a little, but he wasn’t falling out the back. But I am extremely impressed by how successful Phil was in keeping her upright. It was all I could do to gybe her in breeze, but I’m sure Phil’s moth experience helped. Its hard to say what is doing what because she is so different than the others in so many ways. It would be interesting to see her with a standard rig on her, because I have a feeling that the hull could be very fast. But then again it could be all in the rig. Part of me thinks that it is the way of the future, every other class that has the option to put all the area in the main has done so. Yet a 10 square meter sail is a mighty big sail and my biggest struggle on her was catching the boom in the water. So I’m not sure. I didn’t actually get a chance to sail Phil Robin’s Scarlet O’hara. She was designed by Phil Morrison and built by Andy Paterson, so she’s got a pretty damn good pedigree. Phil like many of us struggle from having too few hours in the boat and as a result had some kinks to work out. But the boat showed some jets. He was the only one to beat Chris (Steve won one when Chris broke his tiller extension), and that was on the day with the big swells. I was first to the weather mark and he just blew by me on the reaches and he was gone after that. It’s a pity that we didn’t see more of her because I think she could be a real winner. Steve did sail her and he seemed impressed. Rob Patterson from Toronto sailed Wonk, she was Steve’ first attempt at the new rules and very much the predecessor to Josie. Rob struggled quite a bit as it was his first real IC event and he definitely didn’t do Wonk justice. Wonk provided many lessons that went into the changes in Josie but there is definitely some potential there. The most striking thing about Wonk is her reversed wave-piercing bow. She does pitch pole fairly easily if you aren’t careful and far enough back, there is great video of Rob going over that will hopefully be a hit on youtube, but I’m not convinced that it is wrong. There are some other issues with her that make her a little tough to handle but I think there is a lot of potential there. The last one is Geoff Harman’s, she didn’t show particularly well, but we’re not sure that it’s an issue with the hull. The rig was definitely sub par and I think Geoff was struggling a bit, so really hard to make any sort of assessment on the boat. The other DC was Dave Clark in Alice, who is anything but a new boat. She’s USA 92, and Steve’s first IC back in the 70s and she wasn’t new then. When Steve was rebuilding her he pinched the bows a little too much so she no longer measured in a nethercot, but she does under the new rule. So Steve and Dave did a beautiful job putting her back together and got her down to 70 kg. She’s got the same rig and foils as the rest of the Clark boats and was actually pretty quick in the light stuff. A couple things about the event itself: The Aussies did a fantastic job putting it on, and the McCrae YC team are probably the best RC I’ve ever dealt with. We had a full mixture of conditions, everything from 18 kts to very light stuff. All good racing though. The racing was exceptionally competitive often with only a couple of boat lengths separating us at the finish. As far as the comparison between the new boats and the nethercots: we were definitely faster but were certainly just walking around them. In the pre-worlds we all started together and most of the time it was all new rules at the front but in a couple of the really light stuff Hayden, who ended up world champ, was right there at the front. During the worlds it was often a strug gle to make up the 5 minute lead we spotted them. Chris and Steve caught the leaders a couple of times but usually the by the end the leaders on the DCs were in the midst of the IC leaders. But great racing and I’m looking forward to the next one in Germany. On politics: the plan for the new rules is that we vote on them becoming the International Canoe rule in April or so. That would mean that there would be no distinction between ICs and DCs they would all be ICs. The sense I got from the worlds was that there is generally strong support for this. The Australians are certainly excited. The Germans seem intrigued and it I think the Brits are on board. Kind of hard to tell. The Swedes however are the only ones who are openly against it. The class there is struggling as it is and there is no interest in building new boats, which is too bad. We had our usual class meeting at the worlds and when a straw pole was taken for the change the response was pretty much unanimous support, which is good. So I think it will all go through, but we should know soon. By enlarge the overwhelming sentiment I got from the other competitors was excitement about where the class was heading and a feeling that we are embarking on the next chapter of the story of the International Canoe. One final note, its great news that there were 10 sailors in the fleet in their 20s or younger, and only half were related to each other! The youth movement is growing! So all and all a great event and there is promise for a bright future for the class. Oliver Moore USA 240
  11. DC Designs

    But if you want to build a boat by all mens go for it! One of the big lessons I think everyone has learned and most people seem to agree with is to do what ever you can to keep everything low. Keeping the center of gravity down makes a huge difference in how easy th boat is to sail. The Chris Maas package was definitely very fast. Fast boat, fast rig, and a talented jockey. His hull has a very fine entry and feels very much like a catamaran, very low resistance and just kept accelerating and got up to speed quickly. I've got to go board a plane but I'll get back with more when I get a chance. Oliver
  12. six foot skiffs?

    You have to remember just like all the other skiff classes, 6 ft skiff is just the name of the class. Kind of like how One Hour Photo is just the name of the shop.
  13. Joke

    Adam is approached by God who says: Adam, I have a deal for you. I will create a gorgeous, sexy smart woman for you who will fullfill all your desires. But its going to cost you an arm and a leg. To which Adam replies: I don't know, what would you give me for a rib?
  14. Joke

    A Scotsman, an Irish man, a Welsh man and a Brit are stranded on a desert island. After a year the Scott had started a bank, the Welsh guy had started a male choir, the Irish man started a fight and the Brit hadn't done anything because no one had introduced themselves.