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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. The GPH is only good for a direction. For better comparisons you have to know the wind conditions of the preferred arear and the preferred races. (Up and down or long distance) Then you compare the Triple Number for the predominant conditions. For example, on Lake Constance I would compare with "weak" and "medium"
  2. Upwind 5° less than the Saphire? Is that really so? Than have fun with a windward start in a great, mixed field. Will feel like many 5.5 in leeward
  3. The base price for Switzerland 10/2012 was 48.000,- EUR excl. VAT The new base price for Switzerland is apparently now 53.000,- EUR excl. VAT (Philen) Prices for Germany including VAT, excluding transport (600,- EUR / 500 Km, 75ct/Km) Boat 64.690,- Sails 11.440,- Toilet 1.090,- Antifouling 1.830,- Roadtrailer 6.997,- Electronic Bidata and Helmspilot 6.250,- Sum: 92.297,- EUR In germany, with accessories you should expect 95.000,- EUR incl 19% VAT
  4. Mr. Brown, the founder of Saphire, was on the board of Mammut outdoor clothing, I mean boss of sales. The people of the SSC27 are mechanical engineers and thoroughbred sailors. The Saphire is not a bad boat, but each have to decide for themselves whether they want to buy a boat with a perfectly marketing or a perfectly constructed and build boat. The Saphire has certainly also a slightly different audience as the SSC27 With the flow of information should I give Philen right. That's one reason why I lean back slightly, wait and see how Seascape handles with the success. I don´t think I'm the only one. That Everything goes a little slow, that can suggest that Seascape work under pressure conscientiously. The first production boats will show it. I'm curious! What I don´t like, when I retrofit the boat with backstays for a Code-0, I can´t sail in the class. Even if I tie the backstays to the mast base. I have changed something on the mast, which is prohibited. I would hope that the needs for a light-wind districts be more taken into account. A lift up system I lack too. With an experienced racing crew, to rig up the boat in a box is not a problem. For a family man with wife and child, it's much easier on shore.
  5. @girl-gone-mild and you? When was the last time you have had sex, not only with you?
  6. Andraz, the SSC27 is certainly the most interesting boat in the 8m class. But I think for light wind areas, such as Lake Balaton (8mOd and Co. there also be retrofitted with a Code-0) and Lake Constance, a Code-0 should be possible. I understand the reasoning because of the costs. But if I spend 75-80k EUR for all, the cost for a Code-0 is not so important. The first SSC27 for Lake Constance is already upgraded with a Code-0. And the class rule? When retrofitting for a Code-0, I see the problems by the waterstay and especially for a backstay. The backstay could be as a runner only when necessary. But retrofitting a carbonmast is not without problems. Scheduled by the shipyard, this would be no problem. The perfect 8m boat I see it in the SSC27 and parts from the Code8.
  7. My last info was may / june 2014
  8. On Lake Constance is also working on a project like this! http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/BodenseeEinheitsklasse?fref=ts
  9. ...why I throught the B/one will win.
  10. how many boats per year can the yard produce? Right now they are doing 15 but I would expect they will ramp it up as sales increase I mean they have currently only one form. Then they are unlikely to provide more than 20-25 units per year. If they have enough orders, they will certainly build a second form. Because Seascape will definitely earn something and that they do not with a waiting periods of several years. I hope so at least
  11. Never grow faster as you can buy new shoes!
  12. @GybeSet, most people do not understand, money where is left over from salary and with which they can pay sailing, is also profit. Will you waive on this profit? If not, why not? But why should others do so?
  13. The categories for “Yacht of the Year 2013” are: Family Cruiser: Luxury Cruiser: Performance Cruiser: Multihulls: Special Yacht: Archambault A27 Bavaria B/One Code Zero Seascape 27 Vismara 50 Hybrid Archambault has economic problems. Vismar and Code Zero could not compete due about technical problems. Therefore, the J70 is nominated. The Left Coast Dart would fit well in a comparison with the ELAN 210. But as a special boat I do not see it.
  14. I too have a bib for the SSC27 and actually have one coming. So you now know how I feel. I think overall total concept and design the 27 is great. I have sailed the J70 and think it is a great little boat and having a one design background i think the 70 fits a great niche for a lot of sailors, although a bit expensive, but better than a M20 and more versatile. But I also think the 70 will struggle in some handicap fleets. 1. SSC27 2. J70 3. B/One What did you think of the 27 in light air? Difficult. The SSC 27 is really a special boat. The original nominees have fitted better into this category. At B/one and J70, I don´t see anything special. But the J70 has won the US competition and Bavaria has a very large advertising budget.
  15. underwater docking for a nuclear submarine? surely is practical for discreet plutonium fuel trafficking. i have such misfortune..caught on here on a 27 feet racing machine..with naughty crew who put me exactly where they want me so badly..on a position no. one to six..a chick handy for all.. exposed to gusts of storm blowing.. have no idea exactly what view they get from cabin out to cockpit ..on an only chick among us Lol! Read the posts before this, that should be a joke with the "underwater escape hatch for docking for a submarine" !