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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

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  1. volvo goes both ways

    Not if you think a mini fits that description.
  2. volvo goes both ways

    Shanghai, this new forum software has lost my user name "STYACHT". The question is to Clean for Mark Turner. The GC32 is not part of the VOR, that is the Great Cup. Besides, not really ideal for VIPs on board. No VIPs on board GC32, AC45 or AC50. It's an issue.
  3. volvo goes both ways

    Clean, how will they manage to carry VIPs on board the inshore foiling multihull? Seems like having up to 3 guests on board the 60 foot mono for inshore was just too easy.
  4. Get some beer and popcorn. He we go again.
  5. Vendee Globe 2016?

    Yes No ....and having a data analysis skill set has been around since Magellan....The first man ship to do the full donut. Fixed Funny! Seriously if they are routing the nearest boats, how could they not develop poplars based on position reports, various weather models and scheduled to schedule performance data?
  6. Vendee Globe 2016?

    Give me a break if this has been asked before, or if too obvious. Do the competitors routinely route their opponents in addition to themselves? As such, are they constantly building polars of their competitors during the race? I may have to further upgrade my opinion of these sailors, adding data analysis to a long list of needed skills.
  7. Vendee Globe 2016?

    So do I. With any luck, he's extracted the stump through the deck and thrown it overboard. Save a bit more weight! I think that throwing waste overboard for purely performance (not safety) reasons is disallowed, no?
  8. Vendee Globe 2016?

    Let's see if Boris can keep the campaign together. Previous news articles as of a month ago were much more positive. Now the question of money gets raised and finding sponsorship is suddenly a major topic. (It seems to me that finding sponsorship would be at least a tiny bit simpler with your name on the Jules Verne Trophy but what do I know. As per German sailing media Boris does not get the boat until early summer and dropping out of team IDEC was just about finding sponsors.) Or it is just another media problem? Yacht.de "Conrad has to try to install a new stay" segelreporter can be utter BS too, especially for their racing focus. Full of obvious gems like: "A bolt of Alexs furler broke under deck or worked loose." Apropos Conrad, still hove to and drifting in the same direction. Daylight soon. AT specifically stated the piece was not from Karver, but he didn't say who manufactured it. Looks mightily like a Karver 3:1 friction sheave though. Could be modded though, retaining clip seems different.The Karver furler was damaged when the non-Karver toggle failed. Thought that was pretty clear in AT's statement. First, I was thinking that all of what he said might must be fact, and not driven by any financial motivation. Upon looking at the video 3x I have doubts about the way it was rigged. What broke was either the friction sheave fork, with one side bending out sideways, or the pin. But why? I have to say, by my eye looking at the eye on the bottom of the Karver furler, it is fully rounded and not suited to loading the pin in double shear. It puts the pin in bending below the furler driver, unlike the fork above, apparently the same diameter which has a straight bore. The fork of the friction sheave is a straight bore. Those two things seem mismatched in my opinion. Unless the pin is larger in diameter and intended to be loaded in bending (which would not help the fatigue characteristics) On the other hand, one wall of the friction sheave is bent out. So it is possible that it was contacting something and taking unplanned side load. Either way, I think it was not rigged ideally.
  9. Vendee Globe 2016?

    DTL 131 nm. BP is going 3.5 VMG right now. Seems like HB is making up ground pretty consistently over the last day, on the "bad" tack. Headed or not, I think that ALC might have something wrong on board.
  10. VG Tracker

    Remora routing is such a good addition. Golf clap.
  11. Canting Keels Future and Past

    Nice moniker. says plenty.
  12. Vendee Globe 2016?

    Hi all, another post without quotes to respond to a few things going around on the thread. 1. if you put out a statement that X says there are 10k containers lost at sea per year, please use a link. Could be, but honestly I think that sounds like BS. 2. Thanks to Railmeat for putting some sense in the buffered video debate. It is not a debate, that is FAR from standard equipment. The energy levels alone rule it out. 3. In absolutely no way is the skin of the boat, or hull of the boat, just a skin. What utter nonsense. The hull and deck shell is the main component of the structural system. It is not called monocoque for nothing. Cheers
  13. Vendee Globe 2016?

    So, my .02 on the topic of containers, keels, keel rams, and locking on CL. Sorry if I don't go back and quote the right topics. Containers on ships are ALL tied down on deck, e.g. above the hatch covers. They are not tied down inside the boat and therefore covered with a hatch cover. Only exception are "open tops" which have a rack extending above the deck to contain the boxes. Anybody who thinks they are lost as a safety feature for capsize is really not well informed. SMA has not lost its keel. Not even close yet. It has lost the ability to control the keel. This is a huge difference, in terms of what has to break, what it means for the boat. But likely it will not prevent retirement. I may have missed it, is the rod or rod end broken on SMA? If it is a blow seal, valve, hose, or other hydraulic system problem, he MIGHT be able to repair (if he has spares, it cannot be McGyvered safely) If any metal part of the hydraulic system is broken he is done. He should be able to lock on CL, but that is not a situation where you continue through the southern ocean around the Horn. The lock system might be made for full RM, but it is not meant for a long term use. Up the Atlantic would be another story, you might pull that off.
  14. VG Tracker

    What are you talking about? The official tracker is by far the most viewed. More accurate to say that Forss tracker is by far the most appreciated by pro sailors and the SA community. everyone I have talked with who knows of its existance thinks the forss tracker is far and away the best, and that includes many very amateur sailors. Its pretty obvious that the official web site gets most hits as it is easily found via Google etc. That does not mean it is popular. Most of the people I have spoken with say the oficial website is very hard to use. To me "popular" = "liked". The official website this edition is not liked by anyone I have asked. If I wasn't a follower of SA I would never have found forss tracker, and I should think SA and its followers telling their friends about it is a big factor in how popular it has become. I am grateful to SA as being a platform where I can find such info. Glad SA provides you with a unique source of info, and I agree that forss' incorporation of the tracker data and the WindyTV info makes a very sweet tool. As for 'popular', to me it means what the actual word means, which is 'prevalent among the general public', from the latin root populus, 'people'. Not 'most liked'. Clean, EDIT: most viewed? I do not know how many times each tracker has been featured on TV and in online newspaper pages, but I bet it plays a big role in reckoning most viewed. (ps, sorry if I failed to read all posts and missed same comment up there)
  15. VG Tracker

    @Geovoile, you have a lot of guts taking the plunge and showing up in the forum to discuss. I take what you say at face value, and so far it makes sense what you have written. I do understand people's reactions when specifics are missing and it is thought you meant something or someone you did not. EDIT: I misjudged (you in) this situation (other thread), so sorry for that. Can I ask if this step and the 19 or so posts are the sum total of your time on the forums? I myself make no bones about having not used my identity when I was an employee, and ONLY using my real name on every post since I started working for myself.