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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. As OR17b had its foiling foils on which I understand should be slower upwind than Artemis, doesn't this suggest Artemis was not performing particularly well and should have been all over OR17b like a rash upwind.
  2. With all the local action going on SF harbour on the day in the photo below you cant help thinking that some local sailors must have seen Artemis do more than just this. Haven't seen any reports on this thread that Artemis was going anywhere fast either up or downwind. Did they do any serious sailing. With 300 odd boats out there you would have thought some one on a rail calling starboard might have seen something interesting.
  3. Compare how much of the A you can see without the mast in the picture next, with how much can be seen in the second one. Looks like it has sunk about 600 to 800mm.
  4. Looking at how they are putting the wing up it is readily apparent they have never done it in strong let alone moderate winds. Ask the LR boys how much these kick and buck in the wind, braking a shin bone with ease. I saw the ETNZ wing bucking and rearing violently in the wind. These guys need to get their systems sorted out before some one gets hurt. Not enough restraining lines and too many guys close to the wing foot.
  5. LR are using a similar sort of crane to Artemis which enables the crane cable to come down to the hook more vertically. The crane used in the accident did not have a pivot style jib at the top so that the cable was more at an angle when connected to the wing. It was the angled cable that caused the tear. Nobody goes up the wing to attach/ detach the cable. ETNZ still use the crane without a pivoting jib. On that Wednesday when the wind was very fresh out of the west they really dodged a bullet. As I said at the time the fact that the wind was comng from the foot of the wing rather than the luff and that they were sheltered by the buildings on the base meant it didn't fly with more force. But make no mistake. The wing and the ground crew got a serious workout.
  6. I was looking out my office window just as the fabric at the top of the mast flew free. I am about 1/2 km away. The wing was well up in the hoist ie much closer to the vertical than the horizontal.