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  1. Word on the street is that no national championship is organised for this year? I remember Southport being mentioned but this must have fallen through. Looks like Airlie Beach is going to be the regatta with the most competition. Not a bad place .........
  2. F-22 Update

    Sorry Peter, Div 1 is OMR without crew weight of 0.9 and above. Boom without crew is 0.908, actually for Geelong the cutoff was lowered to allow Airplay to race with Div 1. You will have to add a fair bit more weight to keep out of div 1 if that's what you want. 900 kg without crew will do the trick. Perhaps a big anchor and chain? Seems the rule treats lighter boats harshly in general. The airplay should never rate below .950 IMO just from looking at the boat with no information. That's an issue with the rule for sure. More weight is often advantageous on the wind..... Trilogy falls into a similar bucket. 2 ton and rates low. I've had a recent study of the rule and it seems to strongly encourage heavy boats with small spinnakers / screeches. The F22 should not be in Div one.
  3. F-22 Update

    Of course there are internal halyards. It's foam core in the side walls not solid foam. You would taper to solid laminate at each sheave box / strong point etc. Of course there are internal halyards. It's foam core in the side walls not solid foam. You would taper to solid laminate at each sheave box / strong point etc. Of course there are internal halyards. It's foam core in the side walls not solid foam. You would taper to solid laminate at each sheave box / strong point etc. Sorry for the triple up there.
  4. F-22 Update

    This is the only mast I have seen that uses foam and a sheer web in a rig. How come none of the heavy hitters engineer like this? Presentation wise they are a glamour. Well done.
  5. F-22 Update

    So still unwilling to use your name to back your criticisms, which are again tending towards personal invective. Just who is this representative of mine that is hiding his commercial interest? You claim no commercial interest, claim to be happy with your current boat (still undisclosed), yet are not willing to back anything with your name. My credentials are here: http://www.f-boat.com/pages/background/history.html and here http://www.f-boat.com/pages/News4/FM-Factory2014.html Right out in full public view. Where are yours? Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work It must take a certain amount of raw nerve, ego or ignorance to demand what I am under no obligation to provide. There was no criticism. I said I thought it was a nice little boat. That it is still not ready, and is much later and far more expensive than you promised is a fact that you admit yourself. Criticism would be if I had said something like you are a has been or a one dimensional one hit wonder that designs relatively slow multihulls and pissed your business partners to the point you could not keep a company together. But I did not say that. If you are unable to figure out which of your various representatives on this thread has not included their name and highlighted their affiliation with you in their signature I guess that says something. Do you know how many of them have posted here? Is being a customer a credential? There is no point trying to reason with Farrier. Seems he always has to have the last say....... The irony is his Aus rep getting on here and bagging the hell out of the Grainger 075 in another thread. Not exactly professional conduct.
  6. F-22 Update

    Talk to north sails and they will walk you through it.
  7. F-22 Update

    Bad technique, bad furling cable and incorrect cable tension are the reasons furling won't work. Not saying this is you, but most multi sailors that have tried it, have used a sailmaker with no experience and are too tight to buy the proper top down furlers and proper torque cable. Will always be more difficult to furl a nylon Shute that is really full (I.e a slower design that needs fuller shutes - like Peter Hackett!! Vs a faster Div 1 style boat that can run laminate shutes that are straighter luffed and flatter)
  8. Multihulls in Sydney to Hobart

    Agree however I don't think it will take many years. I think Bob Oatley will be there with a multihull very soon. he will get the same reply, bob is not the CYCA No he is the HIYC and he has a tremendous influence on the CYCA and the event sponsors. Money talks louder than tradition. How did canting keelers get into S2H? He will not get the same reply. He will not even be asking the same question. If the CYC read the amount if dribble you are writing they will never entertain the idea of multis. If multis were all you claim them to be then we wouldn't be debating this. Put a sock in it mate.
  9. Multihulls in Sydney to Hobart

    You do understand that the flag officers and officials have had to stand up in the courts and justify their decisions as to the boats they allow to enter their races, on more than one occasion, don't you.When the results of the investigations into the deaths in this race clearly states that all boats in the race shall be self righting from 115 degrees, how would they explain letting multihulls into the race, directly contravening the results of the investigation. I am not sure saying that multi's have been allowed in other races so they thought it was ok would hold much weight if someone on an upside down multi died. We need to keep in mind both sides of the situation before getting too upset at their decisions. Safety is not doubt the reason for the decision. Possibly not the safety of the competitors though. The very idea that self righting could be considered safer than positive buoyancy leaves me speechless. A multihull flips / capsizes ( just like how you capsized your own boat a few weeks ago remember). A monohull is self righting and in most cases will lye on its side before the lead returns it upright. Can you please explain how positive buoyancy is safer?
  10. Multihulls in Sydney to Hobart

    You do understand that the flag officers and officials have had to stand up in the courts and justify their decisions as to the boats they allow to enter their races, on more than one occasion, don't you.When the results of the investigations into the deaths in this race clearly states that all boats in the race shall be self righting from 115 degrees, how would they explain letting multihulls into the race, directly contravening the results of the investigation. I am not sure saying that multi's have been allowed in other races so they thought it was ok would hold much weight if someone on an upside down multi died. We need to keep in mind both sides of the situation before getting too upset at their decisions. Safety is not doubt the reason for the decision. Possibly not the safety of the competitors though. A diplomatic version of my previous post. The Grand Prix multis are marginal when the weather turns to shit. Not really the race for mainstream type multis. It's amusing that all Nuddy and others have to argue about is the CYCA 'powerboats' and how they are hard done by. Why hang off the coat tails of the monos if its such a concern. Perhaps if the same amount of time was spent organizing a multihull race instead of posting on Anarchy......... Talk is cheap......
  11. Multihulls in Sydney to Hobart

    Exactly. Nice post Here is my 2 cents worth. Firstly - I own a racing trimaran in Australia so lets get that out of the way. Secondly - To ausmulti's your continual whinge about monohull powerboats shows your ignorance and only adds to why multihull sailors have the reputation they have. Have you sailed one of these top end 'powerboats'. I have. I have done 2 Hobarts in one and am doing another this year. Thirdly - Multihulls in the Hobart race is a dumb idea and anyone who thinks it is a great idea needs to be questioned. (remember I am a racing trimaran owner) If you get a southerly front in Bass Straight (which you normally do) with wind against tide (tide always south bound so wind against tide) it is absolutely no place for a multihull. They are heinous boats in conditions like this and are dangerous. Thats a fact. Multi's should stick to coastal races (Gladstone / Coffs). Fourthly - What multihulls are going to enter a Hobart race. Take out the 2 x ORMA's. I cant think of many that are prepared enough and are good enough to enter and have the ability to withstand a southerly blow. You certainly would not take a Pescott catamaran or similar. So how many realistic and/or half interesting entrants will you get? Fifthly - The CYCA have dealt with safety issues and deaths in this race before. I can see why they would be reluctant to let multihulls in the race. Monohulls are much much safer boats. Sixthly - If you dont like whats going on (and as others have said) go and organise your own event instead of trying to hang off the coat tails of the CYCA run Hobart race and whinging when you dont get multihull entries accepted and whinging about monohulls. What are you school kids.
  12. F-22 Update

    Exactly. The boomless thing at best would have the smallest sweet spot where the lower depth of your mainsail match's the twist profile / sheet tension required for the conditions. Regardless of the traveller position - it cannot work throughout the wind range. As soon as you ease any sheet the thing just keeps getting deeper and deeper and deeper. It has no option but to do this. If the traveller is too far aft then it will want to pull the tack off the rig before you achieve the twist profile / leech tension you want.
  13. F-22 Update

    Yeah, that's what I was thinking. No experience with apparent wind sailing. Its sheeting angle of the sheet you rocket scientists. Can you not read. Not the sheeting angle of the sail off centreline or boom angle.
  14. F-22 Update

    The personal insult already, and thus it appears the above is all you have? No actual facts to back up your claims, .....anything? We all know how to trim a jib (just another very effective boomless sail), and the fact you don't know that a boomless main has similar or better control options, does tend to show that you have never used one. We don't need to move the traveler fore and aft to vary mainsheet angle, as this is done at the clew end just as it is with a self tacking (boomless) jib. The traveler also gives much greater variability athwartships with no need for any outboard sheets. It also seems you have no answer to the fact that the fastest F-25C (an all carbon racing boat) has always been the boomless main version? Surely you must have a credible answer to this absolute fact other than 'stop arguing' or 'no one else uses it'? Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work... Show us how you reef the thing efficiently in a race situation as well. Can't wait to hear this one. The clew position is different again for one.... Re-connection of the mainsheet in 20 knots........ Reef lines - where do they run to.....