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  1. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    Sorry Peter, Div 1 is OMR without crew weight of 0.9 and above. Boom without crew is 0.908, actually for Geelong the cutoff was lowered to allow Airplay to race with Div 1. You will have to add a fair bit more weight to keep out of div 1 if that's what you want. 900 kg without crew will do the trick. Perhaps a big anchor and chain? Seems the rule treats lighter boats harshly in general. The airplay should never rate below .950 IMO just from looking at the boat with no information. That's an issue with the rule for sure. More weight is often advantageous on the wind..... Trilogy falls into a similar bucket. 2 ton and rates low. I've had a recent study of the rule and it seems to strongly encourage heavy boats with small spinnakers / screeches. The F22 should not be in Div one.
  2. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    Of course there are internal halyards. It's foam core in the side walls not solid foam. You would taper to solid laminate at each sheave box / strong point etc. Of course there are internal halyards. It's foam core in the side walls not solid foam. You would taper to solid laminate at each sheave box / strong point etc. Of course there are internal halyards. It's foam core in the side walls not solid foam. You would taper to solid laminate at each sheave box / strong point etc. Sorry for the triple up there.
  3. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    This is the only mast I have seen that uses foam and a sheer web in a rig. How come none of the heavy hitters engineer like this? Presentation wise they are a glamour. Well done.
  4. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    So still unwilling to use your name to back your criticisms, which are again tending towards personal invective. Just who is this representative of mine that is hiding his commercial interest? You claim no commercial interest, claim to be happy with your current boat (still undisclosed), yet are not willing to back anything with your name. My credentials are here: http://www.f-boat.com/pages/background/history.html and here http://www.f-boat.com/pages/News4/FM-Factory2014.html Right out in full public view. Where are yours? Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work It must take a certain amount of raw nerve, ego or ignorance to demand what I am under no obligation to provide. There was no criticism. I said I thought it was a nice little boat. That it is still not ready, and is much later and far more expensive than you promised is a fact that you admit yourself. Criticism would be if I had said something like you are a has been or a one dimensional one hit wonder that designs relatively slow multihulls and pissed your business partners to the point you could not keep a company together. But I did not say that. If you are unable to figure out which of your various representatives on this thread has not included their name and highlighted their affiliation with you in their signature I guess that says something. Do you know how many of them have posted here? Is being a customer a credential? There is no point trying to reason with Farrier. Seems he always has to have the last say....... The irony is his Aus rep getting on here and bagging the hell out of the Grainger 075 in another thread. Not exactly professional conduct.
  5. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    Talk to north sails and they will walk you through it.
  6. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    Bad technique, bad furling cable and incorrect cable tension are the reasons furling won't work. Not saying this is you, but most multi sailors that have tried it, have used a sailmaker with no experience and are too tight to buy the proper top down furlers and proper torque cable. Will always be more difficult to furl a nylon Shute that is really full (I.e a slower design that needs fuller shutes - like Peter Hackett!! Vs a faster Div 1 style boat that can run laminate shutes that are straighter luffed and flatter)
  7. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    Exactly. The boomless thing at best would have the smallest sweet spot where the lower depth of your mainsail match's the twist profile / sheet tension required for the conditions. Regardless of the traveller position - it cannot work throughout the wind range. As soon as you ease any sheet the thing just keeps getting deeper and deeper and deeper. It has no option but to do this. If the traveller is too far aft then it will want to pull the tack off the rig before you achieve the twist profile / leech tension you want.
  8. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    Yeah, that's what I was thinking. No experience with apparent wind sailing. Its sheeting angle of the sheet you rocket scientists. Can you not read. Not the sheeting angle of the sail off centreline or boom angle.
  9. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    The personal insult already, and thus it appears the above is all you have? No actual facts to back up your claims, .....anything? We all know how to trim a jib (just another very effective boomless sail), and the fact you don't know that a boomless main has similar or better control options, does tend to show that you have never used one. We don't need to move the traveler fore and aft to vary mainsheet angle, as this is done at the clew end just as it is with a self tacking (boomless) jib. The traveler also gives much greater variability athwartships with no need for any outboard sheets. It also seems you have no answer to the fact that the fastest F-25C (an all carbon racing boat) has always been the boomless main version? Surely you must have a credible answer to this absolute fact other than 'stop arguing' or 'no one else uses it'? Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work... Show us how you reef the thing efficiently in a race situation as well. Can't wait to hear this one. The clew position is different again for one.... Re-connection of the mainsheet in 20 knots........ Reef lines - where do they run to.....
  10. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    The personal insult already, and thus it appears the above is all you have? No actual facts to back up your claims, .....anything? We all know how to trim a jib (just another very effective boomless sail), and the fact you don't know that a boomless main has similar or better control options, does tend to show that you have never used one. We don't need to move the traveler fore and aft to vary mainsheet angle, as this is done at the clew end just as it is with a self tacking (boomless) jib. The traveler also gives much greater variability athwartships with no need for any outboard sheets. It also seems you have no answer to the fact that the fastest F-25C (an all carbon racing boat) has always been the boomless main version? Surely you must have a credible answer to this absolute fact other than 'stop arguing' or 'no one else uses it'? Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work... Once again - Ian Farrier can do no wrong and everything he does and says is the best solution. If your correct (which you are not) then every other designer / engineer / sailor is wrong in the world. No one uses this system because it does not work and will never be effective for racing. Your on your own. Explain to the crowd what happens with your boom less mainsail when you ease the thing out when reaching in 20 knots. Would the sail not end up as full as a maori's nose. Great idea. Also - explain how you can change the mainsheet angle for me. Are you going to tell me that you are going to go full mainsheet off - have two blokes simply hold onto the sail that is flapping its tits off and re-connect the mainsheet!! I have never seen any trimaran in Australia without a boom - but they must all be dick heads and not understand sailing. Love what you have done with the 22 - but the boom less thing is a load of BS if you are promoting it for racing. Keep it real.
  11. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    Try it and see what happens... Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work Hard to believe that this is even being spoken about. The boomless setup might be fine for mum and dad to go cruising with - but if you even mention the word racing and think that a boomless setup is the go you are on drugs. You cannot ever properly control the the depth of the mainsail without a boom. If the boomless main setup worked - then we would all be using it as it would be much lighter and less weight and cost. But it does not work for anything requiring correct mainsail trim - so no one uses it. This subject should be in Cruising Anarchy. So how do you control the depth of your boomless jib? Is the above opinion based on actual fact such as identical designs, with one using a boomless main, and one using a boomed main? We have such a comparison between production F-25Cs, some of which use booms, some boomless, and the fastest F-25C has always been the boomless version. F-25CBoomless.jpg Have you even tried a boomless main? I was once a skeptic, but then tried one, saw how easy they were to handle, and how fast they were. It was obvious right from the start that the F-22 had to have a boomless main, provided I could develop a good roller furling system, which has now been achieved. Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work No your wrong and your starting to look pretty amateur by arguing this. How do you control your boom less jib? Are you serious...... You move the car for and aft on a track with a purchase system. When you go outboard for reaching, you attach an outboard sheet and tweak it so that you maintain the correct trim. On a proper race boat, you have either an athwartships floating system or an athwartships track that allows you to move your sheeting angle wider and a fly block that is effectively your car fore and aft. Thats how. Are you going to move your mainsheet track fore and aft....... By the way - a typical sheeting angle for a 'boomless jib' is roughly 45 degrees..... Your boomless cruising system is around 75 degrees. Stop arguing this for a racing boat. Its why no one uses it. It does not work. Keep it for Mum Dad and the kids.
  12. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    Try it and see what happens... Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work Hard to believe that this is even being spoken about. The boomless setup might be fine for mum and dad to go cruising with - but if you even mention the word racing and think that a boomless setup is the go you are on drugs. You cannot ever properly control the the depth of the mainsail without a boom. If the boomless main setup worked - then we would all be using it as it would be much lighter and less weight and cost. But it does not work for anything requiring correct mainsail trim - so no one uses it. This subject should be in Cruising Anarchy. ever raced against Randy ? didn't think so :-) Send us all a list of boats that go racing without booms whilst your on your knees with Randy. If a boomless setup was to go everyone would be using them. Ever seen an Orma 60 without a boom? What about an extreme 40 catamaran? What about the lake boats in Europe? What a dumb thing to argue.
  13. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    Try it and see what happens... Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work Hard to believe that this is even being spoken about. The boomless setup might be fine for mum and dad to go cruising with - but if you even mention the word racing and think that a boomless setup is the go you are on drugs. You cannot ever properly control the the depth of the mainsail without a boom. If the boomless main setup worked - then we would all be using it as it would be much lighter and less weight and cost. But it does not work for anything requiring correct mainsail trim - so no one uses it. This subject should be in Cruising Anarchy.
  14. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    F22 Vs the Box Boat. How do you think you will go.... Both parties talking it up.
  15. oomummado

    F-22 Update

    Who insured you?
  16. oomummado

    Farrier F-85SR

    Correct.
  17. oomummado

    Farrier F-85SR

    If anyone is looking for a rotating wing mast - 204mm x 98mm Sparcraft section with carbon tip from hounds up. Fully fitted with single diamond / clutch's / spectacles for halyards etc. Overall length 12.2mt Allyacht spars boom to match. Brand new with reefing and outhaul sheave box at outboard and inboard end. Length 3.7mt Location - Gold Coast Cheap. Very cheap. PM for photos / more details etc. (I think this should be in a classified section - but I am a bit special and cannot seem to locate it....)