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  1. wingssail

    Need Help

    J-105 is a super choice considering resale value and requiring less crew. But there are lots of choices out there and many nice boats for well under $150,000. Hell Lots for under $50,000. It would be heaps of fun to look at them and choose one. Yo! TCWippy! lay off the dissing of 70 yr olds.
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    Loving all the old stories about this boat, the design, the folks who raced it back in the day, and Bruce's posts about the work going on now. Fantastic! We lived in Shilshole in the 90's when Len was living there on Improbable with a pretty Tico girl. We had a lot of good evenings on Improbable with her cooking and Len's stories. The boat was jam packed with cruising stuff, including, as I recall, a huge inflatable rolled up and jammed under the cockpit and a 25hp motor, (or maybe it was forward) but it still sailed like a daemon. We cruised together a few times and Improbable could always beat us downwind in a breeze. Len could even beat us single handing Improbable and he was a real fan of the powerful and fast acting double cylinder hydraulic autopilot he'd made so he could keep surfing all night on single handed offshore passages. He was a hard driving sailor. I've often remembered fondly the times together with a great sailor who loved his life and his boat, and the photos of the white and red hull graphics really bring all those memories back. Thank You, Fred
  3. wingssail

    Favourite Boat pic?

    Wings, Serendipity 43, 1979, Doug Peterson. After 32 years with this boat we've got a few photos. Hard to choose. These bring back memories. These are Mostly racing images, somehow there is no photo boat around for the dramatic cruising shots. Maybe I need a drone. Fred & Judy, Currently Mexico JLDigital Images (Photo 1 and 3)
  4. wingssail

    Itallian Shitters

    Ed thinks Maserati cars are homely Italian shitters. Maybe he's thinking of the one he knows best: Grow up Ed, your insults are tiring.
  5. "I’m moving to Sweden. – ed." When? Is it true? or is this just another of the a'holes lying shit?
  6. wingssail

    i touch myself

    The problem of patrimony and sexual harassment in sailing doesn't appear in my area. I learned years ago that mixed crews were more fun and it controlled the testosterone of the men a bit. On a short race the men tend to try to push the women out of the way (which I don't permit). On an overnighter, after about 15 hours of cold hard sailing, the women are sailing the boat and taking care of the men. So having them aboard is a plus. In my sailing area the two hottest and most successful big boats are owned by women. One of the boats is always steered by the woman owner and she is the key reason they are usually out in front. On the other boat the woman owner is often driving, but plays a lesser role in running the program. On my own boat my wife is and has been the co-skipper for about 30+ years. I don't always do what she says but I always listen to her and she is usually right. She can and does overrule me if she feels strongly about something (generally safety related) and she knows she has this power. Our crew list of 12 people is about 40% women, including one of my two foredeck persons. On the other boats in the fleet there is a very high percentage of women crew members. The biggest sail loft in the area is owned by a woman. This is not too different from what it was in the PNW when we sailed there. I don't know about So Cal, but I think there are lots of places where patrimony and sexual harassment don't seem to be the problem. Keeping women interested and involved in sailing might be, and that's worth working on. Here are some things we can do: 1. If you are a skipper, put some women on your crew. give them important jobs, recognition, and respect. 2. Do not participate in misogynistic jokes or horseplay 3. Don't go googly eyed and elbow your mate with a snigger when a hot chick passes by on another boat. 4. Don't pee over the side. 5. If you are a hot sport boat full of macho men and think there is no room for wives and kids in your program, you are part of the problem. 5. In general, just make out like this really is a family sport.
  7. wingssail

    what is it?

    What this is, is Ugly
  8. wingssail

    what is it?

    Yep, these anarchists are a clever bunch.
  9. wingssail

    Death at Cowes week.

    Yeah, I've got it, you make it through and you think you're God's gift, It's more like, "Well, we were well prepared and we were lucky, nobody was hurt and we're damn glad, because it could have been worse" and stop congratulating yourself.
  10. wingssail

    Death at Cowes week.

    Like I said, if you've got time to prepare and get set up for these conditions it can be fine. One thing is certain, is that you'll feel pretty good about it when you get back. But the armchair sailor who thinks that getting caught in a big squall is just a hoot, without recognition of the danger involved, is just dangerous and I would not have him on board. Sailors I've sailed with, pros, all respect the sea and take these kind of conditions seriously. You should too.
  11. wingssail

    Death at Cowes week.

    I've sailed a lot of miles and a lot of races and one thing I've learned: any potential crew member who thinks it's all a joke is better left ashore until they grow up. Going to sea is serious and honestly, on any professional crew I've sailed with, they all know that.
  12. wingssail

    Death at Cowes week.

    It is not just "paying" that the owner does. He has responsibility for the boat and the crew.The sails and equipment are secondary. So, the carefree attitude that you can go out in dangerous conditions and have fun as long as the owner keeps paying gets stale pretty quick when someone dies. You are a fool if yo think we aren't playing for keeps when we go sailing, especially in those conditions, and again I say it, you are a jerk if you think it's a joke.
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    Death at Cowes week.

    I really hope you were bring sarcastic because it takes pretty much a jerk to think that sailing in this weather is fun. It's tough, wet, cold, and dangerous. As a boat owner I worry about my crew, my sails, hell, the whole boat, and we just want to get through it safely. Maybe if you had enough time to get the right sails on and get set up for it, so that you could sail instead of just surviving, it might be "fun", but not what I see these people doing.
  14. wingssail

    jack the dull knife

    "I'd do the mould at Janicki Industries in Sedro Wolley" That's cool, I used to work for Janicki, eons ago, before they got the 5 axis machine. They always were smart folks, but how they got into that end of the business, I never figured out. There is some good boat building going on up north, Betts, Janicki, etc.
  15. wingssail

    jack the dull knife

    A 40 year old boat can still be a damn fine boat if it was a good one to begin with and with care, love, and maintenance, can last much longer than that. My boat is 39 years old, and it's still a great boat in my opinion. Not as fast as newer designs though we still beat them boat for boat at times, and yes, it takes a big crew to race hard around the bouys but we have many wonderful days sailing short handedly and honestly, IOR reputation or not, the boat is generally pretty sweet handling. Just don't expect to go much over 9 knots even in a strong breeze. But Parma's comment brings up another point. We throw away far too much. When you consider the amount of human effort that goes into building a sailboat, the amount of resources, the amount of time, all the creativity and invention, the idea that we should just discard it after a couple dozen years, or less, is appalling. How can we justify just tossing out all of that. Don't just think about the hull. Consider all the equipment, much of it which remains with the discarded hulks we frequently see. Every piece of hardware, every spar, every old engine or radio...the list goes on, was created by someone, often with loving care by a team of someones, and a lot of it is still very useful. If you want to think about how much goes into a boat try to imagine this: If I gave you a workshop and all the raw materials, how long would it take you, by yourself, to build a whole boat? I mean the WHOLE boat; the mast, the engine, the radio, everything. I doubt that if you had 100 years you could build the whole boat (how long would it take you to make a IC for the radio?). So the total amount of effort, creativity, and resources which went into that boat represent a lot of human endeavor. Thousands of hours. We shouldn't toss it out casually. Finally, consider the cost to our planet of our throwaway culture. Just 'cause we can afford to discard that old boat and buy a new one does not mean that the planet's resources are infinite. Here where I live I see old boats which were bought cheaply in California and sailed to Mexico on a lark. Then new owners get bored and just walk away. This makes me very sad. Fred Roswold, SV Wings, Mexico