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  1. wingssail

    Death at Cowes week.

    Yeah, I've got it, you make it through and you think you're God's gift, It's more like, "Well, we were well prepared and we were lucky, nobody was hurt and we're damn glad, because it could have been worse" and stop congratulating yourself.
  2. wingssail

    Death at Cowes week.

    Like I said, if you've got time to prepare and get set up for these conditions it can be fine. One thing is certain, is that you'll feel pretty good about it when you get back. But the armchair sailor who thinks that getting caught in a big squall is just a hoot, without recognition of the danger involved, is just dangerous and I would not have him on board. Sailors I've sailed with, pros, all respect the sea and take these kind of conditions seriously. You should too.
  3. wingssail

    Death at Cowes week.

    I've sailed a lot of miles and a lot of races and one thing I've learned: any potential crew member who thinks it's all a joke is better left ashore until they grow up. Going to sea is serious and honestly, on any professional crew I've sailed with, they all know that.
  4. wingssail

    Death at Cowes week.

    It is not just "paying" that the owner does. He has responsibility for the boat and the crew.The sails and equipment are secondary. So, the carefree attitude that you can go out in dangerous conditions and have fun as long as the owner keeps paying gets stale pretty quick when someone dies. You are a fool if yo think we aren't playing for keeps when we go sailing, especially in those conditions, and again I say it, you are a jerk if you think it's a joke.
  5. wingssail

    Death at Cowes week.

    I really hope you were bring sarcastic because it takes pretty much a jerk to think that sailing in this weather is fun. It's tough, wet, cold, and dangerous. As a boat owner I worry about my crew, my sails, hell, the whole boat, and we just want to get through it safely. Maybe if you had enough time to get the right sails on and get set up for it, so that you could sail instead of just surviving, it might be "fun", but not what I see these people doing.
  6. wingssail

    jack the dull knife

    "I'd do the mould at Janicki Industries in Sedro Wolley" That's cool, I used to work for Janicki, eons ago, before they got the 5 axis machine. They always were smart folks, but how they got into that end of the business, I never figured out. There is some good boat building going on up north, Betts, Janicki, etc.
  7. wingssail

    jack the dull knife

    A 40 year old boat can still be a damn fine boat if it was a good one to begin with and with care, love, and maintenance, can last much longer than that. My boat is 39 years old, and it's still a great boat in my opinion. Not as fast as newer designs though we still beat them boat for boat at times, and yes, it takes a big crew to race hard around the bouys but we have many wonderful days sailing short handedly and honestly, IOR reputation or not, the boat is generally pretty sweet handling. Just don't expect to go much over 9 knots even in a strong breeze. But Parma's comment brings up another point. We throw away far too much. When you consider the amount of human effort that goes into building a sailboat, the amount of resources, the amount of time, all the creativity and invention, the idea that we should just discard it after a couple dozen years, or less, is appalling. How can we justify just tossing out all of that. Don't just think about the hull. Consider all the equipment, much of it which remains with the discarded hulks we frequently see. Every piece of hardware, every spar, every old engine or radio...the list goes on, was created by someone, often with loving care by a team of someones, and a lot of it is still very useful. If you want to think about how much goes into a boat try to imagine this: If I gave you a workshop and all the raw materials, how long would it take you, by yourself, to build a whole boat? I mean the WHOLE boat; the mast, the engine, the radio, everything. I doubt that if you had 100 years you could build the whole boat (how long would it take you to make a IC for the radio?). So the total amount of effort, creativity, and resources which went into that boat represent a lot of human endeavor. Thousands of hours. We shouldn't toss it out casually. Finally, consider the cost to our planet of our throwaway culture. Just 'cause we can afford to discard that old boat and buy a new one does not mean that the planet's resources are infinite. Here where I live I see old boats which were bought cheaply in California and sailed to Mexico on a lark. Then new owners get bored and just walk away. This makes me very sad. Fred Roswold, SV Wings, Mexico
  8. wingssail

    the greatest

    I vote for Ganbare. Yes, the Farr designs wound up being better (faster) boats but Ganbare changed the world, instantly. Besides, I own a Ganbare offspring and after 39 years it's still an absolutely lovely boat and we still win, and my wife and I can handle it, any direction, any conditions.
  9. wingssail

    Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    They were rolling gunnel to gunnel, that is clear from the video. There is no antifoul on the topsides paint. This would tend to support the story that they were out there a long time but many consistencies abound: As reported in The Blaze by Dave Urbanski Why didn’t they activate their emergency beacon? they had an EPIRB? Ans: we never thought our lives were in danger but they said Monday "Had they not been able to locate us we would have been dead within 24 hours.” The USCG reported radio contact in June near Tahiti saying they were not in distress and wouild land the next morning however this was after the date when they said they lost thier engine, sails, and all forms of communication. They reported a "force 11" storm on May 3, yet National Weather Service says there was no storm then or the following days. They claimed they didn't (but could have) stop at Maui or Lanai because there are no harbors there deep enough, however both islands have harbors which could have accomodated their 50 foot vessel. They said they skipped Christmas Island because it is "unihabited" but But over 2,000 people live on Christmas Island, which has a port that can accommodate large commercial ships, the AP said. My own views go farther. The rig looks good enough to support a jury rig and they could have set sails somehow. Why didn't they? Don't they have GPS, how could they think they are near Tahiti and start broadcasting cries for help when they were thousands of miles away? Andy anyhow, if all thier commuications were out, how could they broadcast cries for help? These women's story is complete BS and they are obviously idiots.
  10. wingssail

    ORR in Long Island

    I've raced in all of them and I have certificates for my boat from IOR, IMS, IRC, CSA, PHRF and several Performance handicapping systems, and I've got an ORR rating for my boat on the way as we speak. I'm doing it not because it's better, but because the regatta I want to go in says they will be using it. We'll see. ORR is definitely an outgrowth of IMS, which is also true of ORC. Probably, but for the "not invented here" syndrome, they could be normalized into one measurement rule but there are always people who think they can invent a better handicap system than the other guy, and in this case they would rather produce their own rule than find a way to cooperate. As for ORR, we have some of it here in Mexico. It has the same issues as IMS: It type forms boats and there are too many ratings for each boat. You never know what your rating is going to be on a given day due to various courses and predicted winds. Same Issues which turned people off of IMS. And when a 44' racing Hanse with 42 water line, more sail area, and lighter, gets time from a Catalina 37 with a 32ft waterline, which happens in ORR, you know there is a problem. As for scientific? ORR/Ez has subjective inputs about like the credits you see in PHRF. And as for doing away with PHRF and going to ORR or ORC? In a small area with a limited number of serious racers and a few more very casual guys, PHRF, if you have a non-corruptible handicapping committee, it works very well. We can get some guys out for PHRF, when the rating is basically free, but a $400-$1000 ORR measurement? We'd never have a fleet. For LIS or other east coast areas, IRC and ORC give you more chance to compete in a large, existing fleet, and it is compatible with the rest of the world. In small racing areas, stick with PHRF.
  11. wingssail

    I'm not yelling

    People want to do a good job and they want to be appreciated. Training and consideration goes a long way. Yelling from the back of the boat to someone on the foredeck on how to lead a spin sheet is rarely going to turn out good. Yelling at anyone on the boat is going to make them feel bad and often isn't going to help them do it right anyhow. While being yelled at their brain will freeze and they will continue to get it wrong. So this yelling is counter productive. Get at least one good sailor and send them forward to show the offending bow person how to do it, quietly. OR stop the whole process and have the bow person come back where you can explain it quietly. Yeah, sometimes you need to yell, "STOP". Then, "Hey Julie, come here for a second, will you please?" Use their name when you speak to them. It will test your skill as a skipper. But do it right, give people LOTS of positive feed back about how well they are doing and how much you appreciate them, provide cold beer afterwards, shake everyone's hand when they get off the boat. Do this right and they will come back. Soon you will have a few who are getting good at it. They will be your core. Even if they are not winning races, once they start getting better at their jobs. once they start doing well as a team running the boat, they will feel good about themselves and start having even more fun. It snowballs. This is best done while training. 2. If he's yelling a lot and never gets anyone returning to crew with him, that should tell him something. Seems like OP has mostly untrained and unskilled crew, probably because he is no fun to sail with. they try it once and don't have a good time. Sayonara.
  12. Not really. The challenger, per deed of gift, has to specify the length of boat they are challenging with , then more details to follow. The defender responds, on the day of the match!, by identifying their boat. That's in the deed of gift. However, the two parties are permitted, and usually do, work out a protocol ahead of time which includes the specification of the boats to be sailed, so it is an agreement between the two. Actually, a lot of the details are negotiated before the challenge is actually accepted. This is how the defender gets the protocol they want, they only accept a challenge from the guy who already agrees with their concept. Remember Conner putting a cat up against NZ big mono? and Oracle putting a big tri against Alingi's cat. Those were deed of gift matches where no agreement was made between the challenger and the defender. One of the tricky bits is that the first challenger to submit his challenge, per the deed, gets to be the challenger, so the defender has to be sly. In this case the RNYZ commodore was on the Italian yacht when the race was concluded and the Italian had his challenge ready, presumably no other potential challengers were permitted to be on board, precluding any of them submitting one first.
  13. wingssail

    RIP Doug Peterson

    Rest in peace Doug. You gave me Wings, it's a lovely boat, we've sailed it for many years and many miles and it has never been anything but superb. Judy and I and the whole world of yachting owe you a lot for a whole host of great creations. Thank you, we'll miss you. Fred & Judy, SV Wings, Mexico
  14. As an owner of an older IOR boat (much smaller) I certainly love these boats, and you see them sitting in boat yards around the world, usually pretty cheap too, and every time I do I want to buy them. But I know how much work it will be, and how much expense, and I wish Mr. Madej the best of luck, I really do.This boat pictured here, only 73', took four men including one expert shipwright over two years to restore it from an appearance point of view (inside included), not including any of the sailing gear or equipment. I was involved with that part and it took another few months. The hydraulic winch systems alone were a huge project, but maybe Sassy doesn't have that type of system. Or maybe it does. But there is wiring, electronics, electrics, plumbing, etc. All of it complex, and most of it needing maintenance. So, take a deep breath, and plunge in if you're ready. Most boat owners I know figure it costs, after restoration is complete, between 10% and 15% of what the boat cost new just to maintain it, (sails, moorage, repairs, parts, annual haul out, bottom cleaning, Gees, the list goes on forever). So, for Sassy, what is that? Original price of, say $1 million? That'd be $100,000 to $150,000 per year. On the other hand there is pretty much nothing mankind has created that actually adds to the planet more than a sailboat, and considering the amount of human endeavor it takes to build one of these boat, it is shame to ever throw it away, so I say, Go for it, but don't quit your day job. Fred Roswold I