• Announcements

    • Zapata

      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


  • Content count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Community Reputation

0 Neutral

About #200

  • Rank

Contact Methods

  • ICQ

Recent Profile Visitors

11,462 profile views
  1. Fast 40+ RORC Easter Regatta

    What can I say, but wow, this is going to be a fun series. While the Easter Regatta was a warmup event it featured aggressive sailing, strong competition, and every type of weather imaginable. Friday, with racing delayed nearly an hour for the breeze to fill in, had sun, 15-20 knots of breeze, and 3 windward/leeward races. Saturday, by forecast the windiest of the regatta, was limited to a fixed buoy course with a short reaching start to a laid mark, then a bear away to a run with a course that was more reach/run than beat. They got everyone off the water before the breeziest squalls arrived, so while there was some carnage, it was nothing like what was to come on Sunday. The last race was started in 20-25 knots, with what was effectively a downwind start, then a long beat, a shorter run, and then a beat to a shortened course finish. It was in many respects an inverted w/l course. We saw 35+ on our instruments for sustained periods and there were reports of gusts to 40 from other boats, with many shredded kites, and 2 MOB incidents (all recovered safely), and 2 broken bowsprits in the fast40+ class. There were several major questions looming for us on OV, prior to the start. Since the keel change we had not competed in a single W/L event nor had we had any reaching or running boat for boat with the Carkeek 40 or Ker40+ designs. First, would we see any meaningful improvement in upwind performance that could be converted to a meaningful competitive edge. Second, would we be able to keep up downwind against the lighter/newer/more powerful designs, and third, how big would our reaching deficit be knowing that our relative lack of volume forward will always make it hard for OV when jib reaching. And of course, the majority of the crew was new to the boat, would we gel, could we get around the course without major issues when under pressure, and would the fun component be maintained. Key learnings: 1) Otra Vez is competitive with the newer designs. Upwind she has legs on the fleet and when we get out in front upwind she walks away. 2) Running in moderate to fresh conditions she can hold her place, and in w/l races this is a key advantage. 3) We have a lot of work to do on reaching performance versus the newer designs. We will need to solve sail trim, weight placement, and sail choice issues to not suffer badly on tight reaching legs. 4) Lots of small improvements in sail handling and boat handling to come. The work list of small tweaks is long, but the fleet is going to push everyone's level up. 5) The crew work improved every day and we had fun as a group. For me, this was the most important outcome of the weekend. In terms of the actual racing, the first three races saw us go from an average, to a good, to a great start, and in race 3 we lead around every mark, as a result. Saturday, we had a "scrappy day", a few driver error wipeouts (3 or 4 as i lost count of my mistakes), a poor reaching leg where Jubilee, the GP42, rolled us like we were standing still and a poor beat where i let the boat stray from the targets for far too long as I was still thinking about the reaching leg. Focus, Focus, Focus!!! Sunday was a near survival day and we finished without breaking anybody or anything. Even after the keel change OV is still a bit nosy downwind, and after Saturdays performance we implemented the aggressive aft stack both in the boat and on deck as we used to with the old keel. I think you will see in the photos in Presuming Ed's post how tightly packed the team was downwind (we did not do that well on Saturday). We also glued in some lee cloth track in the compartment behind the traveller bulkhead and will keep all the loose gear except for the safety equipment there, under some custom lee cloths. For the first run, we were just ahead to windward of Invictus for the entire run. We were in the low 20's the entire time, and while Invictus clearly had a little more juice it was not enough for them to get through. They had a better drop, got inside at the mark and led us upwind, but OV legged it out and rounded the top mark first and again led the rest of the race on the water. All the owners I have met have been gracious and welcoming to Otra Vez and I think we are going to have an amazing time on the water. Bill
  2. Ker 43 Ptarmigan

    Otra Vez is currently at Hamble Yacht Services in the Uk. The winter project list is pretty small, with a non-skid respray and moving the jib leads inboard being the majority of the effort. We are hoping to get an effective sheeting angle of 4.5 degrees with the changes to the jib leads. A few photos of the work that is just getting started... For the more technical minded we are using 200kg/m3 HD core as was originally specified for the boat, then 7 layers of uni-directional carbon and 3 layers of db carbo, which is 2 skins more than the original spec. We hope to finish the jib lead mods by the middle of next week then the painters will take over and shoot the deck. Our first regatta on a Fast40+ startline is the RORC Easter Challenge, March 25-27. Bill
  3. IRC tweaking

    My thoughts... get an endorsed certificate...its always more favorable....most boats are much heavier than the number on the brochure check every measurement, Forestay Length is especially sensitive... with the disclaimer that this holds true for the boats i have owned...1 sqm of Head sail area (HSA) is roughly 0.001 and 2.5 sqm of spinnaker area (SPA) is 0.001 make the bottom perfect including the keel and rudder (template, blueprint, longboard) it costs you nothing but money/time and is the best investment you can make IRC prefers high aspect mainsails, roach up high is expensive... know your venues...don't get penalized for Sail Area or extra kites that you don't use, ie stick to 3 kites on the certificate, don't over complicate you life with too many sail choices a 3 blade folding prop will save you 0.001, if you have anything but the gori racing prop, their 3 blade will actually reduce your drag...compared to most folding 2 blades Sailing the boat well is more important that it being perfectly optimized. Bill
  4. Something doesn't add up. There has got to be more to the story. The world of a professional racing sailor is nothing like that of a sailor in the merchant marine and by litigating he had to know he would never work in the industry again. It seems an odd choice to forgo decades of potential employment for what would be, after lawyers fee's, a relatively small amount of cash. Bill
  5. ORC certificate

    obviously, boats optimize for ORC, as they do for any rule.., but it's worth considering at first that unlike IRC.., ORC is not designed to be a type-forming rule. that is, within certain design parameters, ORC attempts to rate boats "fairly" IRC explicitly does not attempt to do this, rather in a relative sense IRC purposely gives rating credits to design features the rule likes, and penalties to design features it doesn't like. so, one might argue that for most boats, optimization is less important under ORC than under IRC Well said us7070 it is about time we are all able to race under a fair handicap system like ORC which rates the boat only for its performance, unlike IRC, with its secret non transparent rule, selects what boats they like and who they like in giving ratings to. ORC is so much fairer than IRC in being transparent, cheaper to rate, unnecessary to optimise to the extent as under IRC and able to rate both displacement and planing designs equally so the can compete together in handicap racing. Been there, done this. It is possible to get a 4-5 minute per hour difference in rating between two boats when changing systems. ORC has as many peculiarities as IRC and there are ORC winners (Swan 45) as well as boats that rate poorly. Bill
  6. Fast 40 on a budget?

    With the 2015 IRC rule we have gotten into the rating band with two changes. Reducing the A2 size from 220 to 210 sqm and going to a 3 blade folding. We have the entire upwind inventory at our disposal and i am hopeful we can get to only changing the kite size. I think a lot will be determined by the course selection. OV is a much bigger boat than the 40's and any course with an equal up/down ratio is going to favor her. I think on a run we will be fine, it is the reaching performance that we need to check. Spookie clearly had our number reaching in the old configuration. We have a great team and I can't wait for the sailing to start. Bill
  7. Fast 40 on a budget?

    That would be perfect...22-25 is a real sweet spot for OV Bill
  8. Fast 40 on a budget?

    Otra Vez will be out on the water for the last race of the winter series at the end of the month. Its been a long time since I raced in the cold. Bill
  9. Fast 40 on a budget?

    As the Fast 40+ moves closer to reality their seems to be interest from the slightly bigger and faster 40's as well. I know that Interlodge is thinking of coming across, and with a Ker 46 or 2 and maybe a carkeek 44 you could have quite a good Fast 45ish fleet as well. Bill
  10. Fast 40 on a budget?

    Oddly enough, there is some pent up demand for this class and it is exactly what i have been looking for since I bought OV in late 2013.. As noted earlier i was at the owners meeting and there were 11 other owners in the room who are writing checks to fund the class association. The list of boats is: 1 x Ker 40 at 1.191 1 x Ker 40 (Mod) at 1.210 3 x Ker40+ at 1.268 1 x Ker 43 at 1.270 (class upper limit) 2 x Carkeek 40 at 1.267 1 x GP42 at 1.267 1 x GP42 at 1.260 1 x GP42 at 1.257 1 x GP42 at 1.241 1 x HH42 at 1.227 I believe 2 of the Ker 40+ are under construction as well as 1 Carkeek 40. The other 10 are already in the area. If we can get 10 boats on the line by the end of the season and have some close racing then it would be a success for the first real year of the class. As an aside, If you want grad prix quality racing and don't want to invest in a TP52 then this could be the right answer. Bill
  11. Fast 40 on a budget?

    It will be an interesting year for the fast40+ as the class is quite wide (1.189 - 1.270) and Otra Vez will owe Keronimo about 245 seconds an hour and the HH42 about 135 seconds an hour. At the moment the class is not a first over the line wins, but just an IRC band. Usually for a given package your try to slow the boat down on paper in IRC and many boats are designed specifically to exploit perceived weaknesses in the rule. The Ker40+, Carkeek rate 1.268 give or take, so at a 6 seconds per hour delta to OV it will nearly be boat for boat. We might find that boats at the lower end of the band are better placed, for us the stronger the wind the better. The pro limit is 5 not 6...RIBs are not allowed to be used in a support role while racing...and as far as i know, all the boats are North with the exception of Otra Vez which is a Quantum program. The stated goal is grand prix quality racing and the word corinthian is not mentioned anywhere. Most of the boats are mini-52's in some way (pedestal grinder, string drop systems, etc). They are simply rigged but need excellent sail trim to pay off the rating unless its really blowing downwind. Our slowdown optimization is focused on maintaining upwind speed and reducing kite size to get into the band as controlling the beat is important if you are the big boat in the class. A soto40 that rates around 1.215 or so might be competitive. It would be interesting to see if you can get there. Bill
  12. Fast 40 on a budget?

    I was at the owners meeting last night. It looks like there will be minimum 10, likely 12, and by the end of the season maybe 14 boats participating. Class entry fee is 750 pounds, so not a backbreaker. There are a total of 10 events on the schedule, five of which are Fast40+ series events and five where the intent is to have a class start. Most prevelant are Ker 40+, Carkeek 40 mkII, and modified GP42's. For 2016, standard Ker 40's will be able to race, but after that, they will need to be modified to get into the speed band of 1.210-1.270 with a DLR <110. For existing boats,up to 13.30 meters LH will be permitted. There are also draft and speed ratio's that need to be respected. Looking at a Soto40 trial cert she seems to meet all the requirements. It has the makings of a great series and we are looking forward to competing. Otra Vez left Palma yesterday and will arrive in Southamption on the 16th. Bill