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  1. shanghaisailor

    Vendee Globe 2020

    You have to ask? Both were life threatening, both were to athletes at the top of their sport and both happened suddenly and unexpectedly. And yes i suppose you are right they are both French and both incidents happened in last few days but I hadn't considered two such irrelevances. Try a different approach because sarcasm isn't your forte. I am glad the French media were awake to this as i was informed by Benmoumoute (thanks man) As an example CNN has two articles about the F1 crash and nothing about PRB on their sports page. It's not the only time either. When Pete Goss rescued Raphael Dianelli (apologies if i have spelt that wrong) there was hardly a mention and Tony Bullimore only got more press because after several days in the upturned hull of Excide Challenger the Australian Navy expected to find a corpse. It as also one of the longest distances from land that a successful rescue had been accomplished. An awesome achievement by the crew of, I think, HMAS Adelaide. Perhaps the 4 seconds is not the whole timeline. Kevin first reported "water ingress" i understand and like any good seaman - and Kevin is a VERY good seaman he would have taken precautions like donning his survival suit - after all the water that far south is a little chilly. If i read it right the 4 seconds refers to the time it took the boat to fill when the bow let go. ) could be wrong and as those who know me on the forums i am always open to be corrected if that is the case. We will only know the full story when Kevin gets back to dry land which is some time after Dec 7th See ya on the water SS
  2. shanghaisailor

    Vendee Globe 2020

    You are the worst kind of pervert - go zoom sex your own wife, if you have one. your comment is not in the least bit humorous And before you come back with any repost, of course i don't have a sense of humour when you insult my wife in such a manner. That is therefore excellent. The Vendee Globe is an institution in France as evidenced by the crowds that normally number in hundreds of thousands to see the sailors off and also huge numbers to welcome them home. I was staggered how many people were there for Ellen MacArthur (in the middle of the night i seem to remember). If only our sport or even just one event in our sport could engender such interest from the media in other countries we'd be on a winner. Allez le Francaise (if that is proper French, apologies if it isn't)
  3. shanghaisailor

    Vendee Globe 2020

    Amazing the F1 driver escaped over 15-18 seconds from the horrific crash then rushed to hospital with full medical backup and the media is full of it. Kevin had 4 seconds to get off a sinking boat 500+ miles from shore with no backup other than his fellow competitors, spent an uncertain long cold night on his own in the Southern Ocean before, thank goodness, being rescued and the coverage outside the specialist media - zip. Funny old world or perhaps as a sport we are not very good at telling our story
  4. shanghaisailor

    Vendee Globe 2020

    Yes and because of the rudders and a few other elements the Super Sixty wouldn't measure as an IMOCA 60. More solidly built than most. I still have the designer's initial presentation somewhere.
  5. shanghaisailor

    Vendee Globe 2020

    ha ha, that would have been a neat trick, she's at the other end of the country on sailing business.
  6. shanghaisailor

    Vendee Globe 2020

    couldn't go anywhere in some stopovers without being stopped by all sorts of fans. Irony of this photo is both Kevin & Charles have had their current projects 'interrupted'. But thankfully both will live to fight again.
  7. shanghaisailor

    Vendee Globe 2020

    I can't believe i cried - tears of relief. I know (thank goodness it wasn't "knew") Kevin from 2 DFRT campaigns and not only a sailor, consummate seaman and engineer a hell of a nice guy. It has been a long fraught sleepless night waiting for this news and dreading the alternative. Well done Jean and props to the other guys who didn't hesitate to suspend racing and join in the search. I actually bounced up and down on my office chair when i read roblynn's post (post 6080). Such incredibly good news. I'm gonna stop typing before i get too emotional. Off to bed SS
  8. shanghaisailor

    Vendee Globe 2020

    0345 here in China. No chance of sleep. I remember reading Pete Goss's account when he picked up Raphael Dianelli and it was a SA Air Force Orion overflying Raphael's boat and flashing their landing lights that pin pointed his position to Pete. It is not that easy in a boat that it underpowered under engine to come close to someone in a liferaft which is what gives me most concern. Regarding Kevin having to spend a night in a liferaft? He's as real nice guy but on top of that he is strong, fit and never struck me as someone who would be beat easily but ong hours in a liferaft are energy sapping. Remember it was him that went up Dongfeng's wobbly mast to cut away the dangerous top section just west of the Horn. Fingers crossed and praying for him
  9. shanghaisailor

    Vendee Globe 2020

    Thank fuck Kevin is OK. He is one of the world's nice guys. I got to know him a little when with DFRT, always had time for you. So both the DFRT alumni not had a good VG this time round. Like oioi above I too thought with Kevin's Mr Fixit tag if anyone could get a boat round the marble it would be him, clearly something major for the whole situation go tits up so quickly. Next time Mr Escoffier, really feel for you. SS
  10. shanghaisailor

    World Sailing and China's Leadership

    I love a good head to head where people are posting what they really think. China utopian? Nah, not really but it certainly far from the hell and damnation some try to paint. It would just be nice if occasionally people recognised the efforts many people are making here to grow our sport rather than trying to paint it as having an ulterior motive. No one calls Alex Thompson out because he makes money from sailing or Ken Read because he is North Sails President (and by the way i could not even pretend to be in the same league as they are as sailors) why should be any different if the person is Chinese. Why the fuck do people have to try and see the negative in others people's team's or countries' efforts. No wonder the world is in a mess. LQH may end up to be a disaster but why assume that he is before we see if he DOES raise the sponsorship and get WS out of the financial hole or if he does drive forward the ambitions in his initial statement as president. If he falls flat on his face then - so be it - they he deserves all the criticism coming his way but he has only been in the role 5 minutes. Let's hope for the sake of our sport he DOES deliver. Gissie, if I paint a rosy picture it is a) of the part of China - primarily the sailing community - that I regularly interact with and b) I am only interested it that subject when on Sailing Anarchy but attacks on the Chinese at least, fly very close to racist and i don't now why because just like us white guys they bleed red, they get sad when grannie dies or even one of their pet dogs. Many of them are genuinely nice people. When i project managed the first Chinese owned boat to podium in the Sydney Hobart (2016 3rd IRC 1st ORCi) we were sitting outside a restaurant beside Constitution Dock and one of the owners friends came up and commented about my iPhone, asked if i liked it in black. Strange question i thought but a couple of days after i arrived back in China a latest iPhone IN BLACK arrived by courier with a short note thanking me for doing good for his friend - completely un-solicited - but that sort of thing tends to stick in your mind. Shit - there are parts of my old home town, Edinburgh, where i wouldn't walk through during the day and pity help you if you are the wrong colour in parts of America - no country is perfect. Yes they have corruption here (although much less than before), control, and strict laws but they also have cops that are not armed (and friendly) they have relatively low crime rates and it never ceases to amaze me how readily a smile comes to their face who you use a little bit of their language whether it is a sorry, a thank you or whatever. Dark Cloud, thank you for your message. I do have fun although when you are helping others getting into sailing or developing their talents one doesn't get to sail one's own boat quite so often. It has turned into a bit of a business which i never intended but when large chunks of your time are taken up with one's passion you still have to put food on the table And Gissie, you are probably right about sticking to the sailing, played by a damn site more honest group of people than politics. Maybe i am too old and cynical these days. PAX Guys
  11. shanghaisailor

    World Sailing and China's Leadership

    Well you clearly don't understand the average Chinese. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it makes me smile. No that is wrong, it makes me belly laugh when automatically an informed comment is met with "You spout shit"- fucks sake, grow up. Your "guess" is completely wrong. In the 20 years+ I have lived here I have never lived in a "gated compound". That concept of separating laowei from the locals was already largely gone when when I arrived. Compounds are indeed mainly "gated" as you say but that is the same for locals and laowei and is an additional measure for the security of the residents. 19 years ago I founded the first non-government sailing club in China, 17 years ago i brought the first privately owned racing yacht to China, 13 years it was joined by another one. For the past 15 years i have been involved with the oldest sailing regatta on China which for the last 3 years has been the largest one design keelboat regatta in Asia and have been involved with the Chinese involvement with the Volvo Ocean Race for the last 3 editions. I met my CHINESE wife 16 years ago and most of my friends are Chinese. I too have little problems with very few people, whatever their nationality or race and like you i don't always agree with the actions, rulings or regulations. For example the multiple meetings i have had with officials trying to explain that, for example a spy is much more likely to step off a plane at Pudong Airport than row ashore in a rubber boat from a sailing yacht. We are slowly getting there with regattas like Round Hainan (running currently) or the one up north which goes from Qingdao to Russia, Japan and back to Qingdao without being boarded by multiple agencies like some of the returnees from the Newport to Ensinada un the USA. True, a Chinese serving in a position in an international body like WS would have had to have boxes ticked by (probably) the likes of The Sports Bureau but lets see if he follows through with his election pledge and first statement as president. As a sailor and not a politician that is all I am interested in. His nationality and whether he is backed by government or not should not matter to us sailors if he actually sorts out the situation in our sport. I am surprised that you reduced your argument to a thinly veiled accusation of childishness. He has 8 years experience as an ISAF/World Sailing Vice President and much longer as the Secretary General of the Chinese Yachting Association and whatever one thinks of him was in the hot seat when China won its first Sailing Gold Medal in 2008. Let's see if he is effective and follows through. If in 4 years time he has achieved none of the promises or statements of intent then he deserves all he gets. And what barrel would that be Dark Cloud???? Fuckwit!! I haven't got into a conversation about world domination or any such thing - it is those who respond to my posts that seem paranoid about that. I read a very interesting article in Time Magazine many years ago where the reporter was interviewing a fairly senior Chinese official. It was surprisingly open (back then my knowledge of China was about the depth of some of the posters in this thread). The reporter asked how the official could justify the lack of democracy in China. THe official responded with that when he was young the people in his street elected him to the local committee (the Chinese seem to love committees). He worked hard, kept his nose clean and when there was a vacancy in the district committee his peers selected him by vote to serve on their behalf and that process happened all the way up the tree. (It was about the time Bush Jnr entered the White House on the minority of the popular vote). No politician works entirely without self interest whether for advancement or avoidance of loss. The ultimate example of this must surely be the one who is about to leave the White House. Anyway, enough is enough. I just want to sail and help develop sailing where i sail and it is developing quite nicely here. So - goodbye, and thanks for all the fish!! I'm out!! You are all welcome to come and see for yourselves once the COVID-19 has been defeated. SS
  12. shanghaisailor

    World Sailing and China's Leadership

    Thanks for the downvote Charisma94. I would rather receive a downvote for posting a reasonable response than a "Like" for sucking up to bullshit. I am sure that like any sovereign nation they do not like others trying to tell them how to run their affairs. I wonder what the reaction would be from the USA if there were calls from other countries to launch an enquiry as to why they have handled the COVID in such as a way as to result in the deaths of over 260,000 of their citizens. Think about it!! SS
  13. shanghaisailor

    World Sailing and China's Leadership

    Perhaps because of the clear anti-China rhetoric (many examples up thread if you look) or condescending talk how the west can do it better. For example I read the release from the Executive Director of the WMRT the other day how they were going to help develop match racing in China - Really?, what has been the largest one design keelboat regatta in Asia for the past 3 years (average over 40 boats) has had match racing as part of its format for the past decade and a half and for the past half dozen years has been umpired by umpires at least as good and experienced as WMRT. - Just an example of how little some people know about China. Ha ha! So amusing. You show me a westerner who likes being proven they are wrong or if they are defeated in an argument. The concept of "Face" is not limited to Chinese, it is just that in China the concept is more formal and perhaps remembered longer. Do you like to be proven wrong Gissie? I bet you don't because you lose face or reputation - what's the difference? I used to smile when multi-nationals would pay bundles of cash to 'consultants' to have "Face" explained to them. They are not so different to we westerners when you get to know them, just as cheeky at times but, as friends, also just as honest or loyal and much of their attitudes to the laowei (foreigners) are a reflection of the way foreigners try to treat them and HAVE treated them for centuries. Shit - we Brits even tried to turn them into a nation of drug addicts because we had a balance of payments problem with them. The amount of drugs we were shifting made the Mexican Cartels seem like a cottage industry. Anyway, wasn't this supposed to be a thread about sailing? If so - our sport is growing here. Ordinary people want to go racing and there is a regatta almost every weekend in season some established, some new like the one I helped at off Shekou in Shenzhen last weekend for youngsters. 8 x J-70s and 20 odd Toppers. Saturday was windy and some of the kids struggled with the J-70 kites (well they were as young as 12 some of them) and quite a few Toppers went over but they had a blast - that is want our sport is supposed to be about - Isn't it?? Just sayin' SS
  14. shanghaisailor

    World Sailing and China's Leadership

    I completely agree with you EYESAILOR. There are a lot of personal agendas involved in some of the posts (not least taking an opportunity for another pop at Chinese) above and to start where you finished, the President has no influence (other than perhaps a casting vote in most cases) over medals of any colour. He does however come from a country where great efforts are being made - and not just by the government to grow our sport, I can personally testify that it is indeed growing in many ways and not government driven but private enterprise and individuals taking up the sport and investing their own time (and sometimes money) to bring our sport to others. It doesn't happen overnight but it is happening. Different from some of the worrying stories of falling participation from countries of the 'old guard'. I doubt if 1 is entirely true, but what is important is a) he honours his election pledge of bringing chunks of sponsorship to World Sailing as finances are the immediate challenge that the organisation faces. He is however, as a former Vice President well aware of the politics that exist within World Sailing and probably has a good handle on what has to be addressed, how to deal with what I call the entrenched "Blazer Crowd". His first statement as President is certainly an ambitious agenda and he cannot do it on his own and lets hope the MNAs get behind him and don't try and dig their heels in for the 'old way' because a) that does not work and b) in my opinion is too Olympic Class focussed - what about the '000's of sailors and 00's of classes that are merely paid lip service all so 400 sailors have a chance of a medal round their necks. If he achieves the sponsorship and his agenda then he will have been a good choice. If he fails on either or both then less so. Suggesting that PRC handed out a lot of bribes smacks so much of the whinging going on by a certain soon to be former president and his cronies in the United Sates of Somewhere. The voters (MNA's) have voted and at the very least the new President of WS should at least be given a chance to do his job. Time will tell. SS
  15. shanghaisailor

    World Sailing and China's Leadership

    What is best for China in sailing is the same as in any country. Making sailing fun and attracting the youth! Perhaps we make sailing too regimented for youngsters when they, like grown ups like fun during their leisure (or sporting) time. I have just returned to my hotel room (on a cruise ship docked in concrete would you believe) from the prize giving of the inaugural China Club Challenge Match Youth Division sailed in Toppers (where China has a world champion by the way) and J-70s having spent the weekend on the water umpiring (more accurately On the Water Judging under Appendix Q) It was sailed off Shekou, Shenzhen and with just a light spot in the middle of day two mother nature cooperated although on Day 1 a couple of the teams found the J-70's spinnaker a bit of a handful - BUT nobody complained At one point in one of todays races there were 4 J-70s line abreast and the banter, teasing and chuckles going on between the boats showed that they were more than competing, they were clearly having fun while they did it. You would have thought they were at a party such was the chatter coming off the boats. Once ashore the smiles and happy expressions were everywhere and acceptance of how to play the game, even from those for whom the judges decisions went against them, was refreshing. No "Little Prince" syndrome to be seen. Sailing is growing quite nicely here. See ya on the water SS