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  1. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Master and apprentice side by side.
  2. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    & from what I hear Dongfeng will have a special jumper at the start of this leg ;-)
  3. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Great to see King Juan Carlos on the dock. Of course a keen sailor himself
  4. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    It's been a long wait - no excuses now
  5. VOR 2017-18

    Ah - I see, the ready - fire - aim approach :-)
  6. VOR 2017-18

    You think?
  7. VOR 2017-18

    First of all I am not saying this is what STEAM were doing. I always try to get a 2nd verification with any story and coincidentally I have spent quite a bit of time with a marine professional who told me exactly the same thing about the superyacht world. He was referring to the charter world in general in the days before online banking and so on. The owner was due so fresh flowers would be ordered, the stewardess would go fetch, pay and present a bill with a % added on. The yacht would be fuelled and the engineer would present a bill with a 10% surcharge and so on. I countered "so they were making a bit on the side?" "" No!" he stated, "they were doubling their salary, and all tax free". Once again however I state categorically I am not saying STEAM were doing this and I would find large scale activities of this nature would be a lot more difficult with the electronic tracking and accounting that exists these days. SS
  8. VOR 2017-18

    Thanks Alinghi I have good connections, internet & otherwise PLUS I keep my head up and check things out. (I'm not always right though) If my understanding of the original situation - which admittedly was entirely dependant on the he said/they said releases it wasn't Tienpont that was sacked, it was STEAM that had their contract revoked. The scuttlebutt going round (again through press releases) was that Tienpont had been offered to remain as skipper but he declined. On the arbitration result, having seen several of these cases the 'little guy' or the littler guy often gets the benefit of the doubt. A good example is the 'lead in the king post' incident where really only one guy git hung out to dry while several others must have been involved and even then the sport arbitration body reduced ISAF's punishment significantly. There is still obviously more to this than we are aware. How much is fact? and how much is rumour? and how much is pure speculation? On the one side there is a management company which has had its case shouted loud from the rooftops by certain media and on the other side a large corporate body who kept (perhaps too) quiet. There are rumours of some crew not wanting to go back to the old way but that could be bar talk and malicious stirring by whomever. I guess we wont know until 1400 CET when the boats cross the start line. I think the VOR's complicity in this 'affair' is pure conjecture any more than the NFL would have any real influence in how an individual team owner treated a star quarterback, the ongoing "kneeling during the anthem" in the USA clearly demonstrates that sports teams are run by the team and not the league (VOR) The whole thing is interesting but interesting in a way that does no benefit to, not only the VOR, but to the world f professional sailing sports sponsorship in general. Lets hope that once the teams leave Alicante on Leg 1 things can be put in perspective and the quality of racing quickly eclipses what is, after all, only internal team politics. SS
  9. VOR 2017-18

    Don't be cheap. A good 'limitless 'VPN' is under 100 bucks a year. Try Strong VPN from reliablehosting.com No worries, everything streams with a very small drop in bandwidth which is inevitable going through additional servers. Even llivestream is usually 'pause-less'. Hope this helps
  10. VOR 2017-18

    So right DtM The changing use of language can be quite interesting. When a boat gybes in an uncontrolled manner the correct (or original) term is "gybes all standing". A Chinese gybe is where the top half of the main gybes and the boom doesn't. More common with gaff (and junk rigs perhaps rising to the term) rigs. It has slipped into common parlance but traditional (original) nautical terms reference works do not call an uncontrolled or unexpected gybe "Chinese" :-) Even top sailors use the term so often it has kind of become (incorrectly) the term used for an uncontrolled gybe. In fact a modern Bermudan mainsail, especially one properly 'vanged' is virtually impossible to "Chinese gybe" Just my two pennies worth. SS
  11. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    It was actually Gringo in the last race. He's your man. The term dedicated is overused, but it fits him. This will be his 6th round the world race as a kind of 'preparateur'. On top of that he's a good guy. SS
  12. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Bollocks STAYSAIL, you can be such a prick! Don't even imagine that you can read my mind. I saw the information so I shared it - end of story. Like I said I was "only the messenger" Regarding Azkonobel? They are a team, that is all. They like 6 other teams are about to head off into 45,000 miles of ocean. That is, in case you hadn't noticed that is serious stuff. Quite the opposite of farce. SS
  13. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Apparently just breaking on Dutch National TV Website - Tienpont has won the arbitration and is on his way to Alicante to get his boat back https://www.sailingillustrated.com/single-post/2017/10/21/VOR-Breaking-News-Dutch-national-TV-says-Tienpont-has-won-the-arbitration-returning-to-Alicante-to-skipper-the-yacht-in-Leg-1-that-starts-Sunday If this is BS, remember I am only the messenger SS
  14. VOR Leg 1 Alicante to Lisbon

    Hi Alinghi - did you miss me? LOL. Was in HK for the start of the HK to Vietnam Race as we had a team in it then off to Sanya to survey a couple of marinas. Ready to sit in front of the computer tmw evening (China time) to see how the guys go. One thing Witty may have got right, this could be like a 45,000 mile match race SS
  15. VOR 2017-18

    I don't think there is any doubt Carolijn will be driving for some of the in-port races. Charles even said months ago that one of the reasons he recruited her was because on SCA she beat him in the In-Ports.