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  1. Competitive One Design ocean racers

    The Sigmas, both the 33 & 38, The David Thomas Bolero Quarter Tonner, they built 38 of them - they wouldn't have sold that many if they weren't competitive & the prototype, Purple Haze won the first of the re-vamped Quarter Ton Cup. Not only were these 3 competitive under IOR, they are no slouches under IRC either.
  2. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    they actually reported it broken a considerable time period before John Fisher went over the side. I can't remember precisely when we are talking days before
  3. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    I tell you there is nothing wrong with Sothern Spars tubes, when they severed the rigging and the mast fell, apparently it bounced and they had to cut it up with grinders
  4. How “wet” the Volvo Ocean 65 yachts are?

    You are so right Mad and seeing post #244 from one of the Trolls Club especially given the - still recent - events on Leg 7 down the sewer in a particularly distasteful manner. I bet he is the sort of person that doesn't switch off his cell phone at a funeral. SS
  5. How “wet” the Volvo Ocean 65 yachts are?

    Nicely put Jack. I have to admit that I thought this thread was getting boring and going nowhere but some of the comments simply shout "I don't know what the fuck I am talking about". Why does a race boat have to be so wet? I think it has something to do with speed but perhaps I am wrong. A fucking Royal Navy frigate is wet if you throw it at a sea fast enough, the bow of the Leander Class could throw so much water in the air that solid green would hit the bridge windows and they were considered one of the most seaworthy warships ever or even a Channel ferry hitting a big sea - the spray disappears over the stern. Mate! Go fast into big seas and you are going to get wet- end of story. And there is often light at sea at night, moon, stars, bioluminescence, it is incredible how much the human eye can detect once the rods have got used to the low light and just like a blind person can hear things that other people can't, it can be surprising how the acuity of the other senses increases when sight is dimmed (and how quickly) and some people are better at it than others just as with all things. SS
  6. How “wet” the Volvo Ocean 65 yachts are?

    Steve's comments got me to thinking about this thread and some important points many people have missed especially when comparing the VO65 to an IMOCA. Firstly these are not boats that have been 'foisted' on the VOR sailors. As already mentioned in this or other VOR threads sailors had an input during the design process and although not all their input was included, much was including wave deflectors. The second and more important point is that for most of the time (for most read 90%+) IMOCA sailors don't steer their boat. I am sure many can recall the helo shots from a French Military aircraft of Alex and Armel blasting along in the Southern Ocean while Alex in particular was waving from the top of the coachroof. The autopilot does that for them. Volvo Ocean Race boats do not have an autopilot, they are all hand steered. To be able to do that you need to be able to see where you are going. With the amount of water that is going to come over the bow of ANY boat travelling at speed where the ratio to waterline length and wave height is such a small number they are - by definition almost - going to be wet. Put a covered cockpit on board and the helm either has to remain exposed only now the water is going to come off the back of a cockpit cover just in front of him/her or you include the helm position under the cover and he/she wont be able to see where they are going, at least not as clearly. If you doubt this for even a moment go google some video of powerboats in heavy weather where even with roto-screens or high volume windscreen wipers there are significant periods of time where forward vision is obliterated entirely. Add to that internal reflections from instrument displays or any form of light at all and the helm will be driving blind for a significant percentage of the time. In the past I have helmed powered vessels in heavy seas (although nowhere near the 30kts+ of a VO65 in the Southern Ocean) and even spray can reduce visibility enough to provide a pretty unclear view from time to time and if it is solid water you are driving blind until the screen spins it off or the wipers sweep it aside. If that time to time coincides with a helm trying to find the low point in a wave crest ahead it could make the difference between rising over or stuffing the bow into it with the resultant potential for deceleration injury, especially to those moving about down below. I agree with all of Steve's comments by the way. The current fleet is largely getting round all the way except when the sailors drop the rig or hit something harder than a composite hull and that is important for the sponsor's ROI which is important for a commercial event. It is dangerous but no more so than the earlier editions of the race. In fact probably significantly less so. It is, as Mike Sanderson aptly put, many sailors' Everest and anyine that 'does' the race knows they are not setting out for a jolly around the bay SS
  7. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Jack, you know that, and I know that but there are certain people on these forums that clearly don't. When asked what it is I find so special about our sport I always give the same answer - that is "It is because the right sort of people take part in our sport". Nothing to do with money or the rest of it but the spirit it is played in and the looking out for the other guy and similar factors. Long may it continue. It is the lack of such attitudes that show up certain posters here as "wanna be's" rather than proper sailors. C'mon trolls - I'm ready for you - ha ha! SS
  8. Banque Populaire IX

    Glad to see everyone is safe while they wait off the coast of Morocco in the Med for rescue. And to think some people suggested that the VOR 'goes Multi'. Could you imagine this anywhere within 1,000 miles of Point Nemo? No thank you. Just sayin 'SS
  9. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Noticed a few mentions up thread about Xabi not being a gentle giant. I have never sailed with him so I don't know what he is like on the race course but I have met him multiple times on the dock, in stopovers, at VOR prizegivings and he always greets with a smile and an outstretched hand. In short my experience is he is always a gentleman AND he IS big, his hands feel like digger shovels so Gentle giant probably is an apt description. And before anyone trolls this post or tries to be smart the above is intended to be entirely complimentary. I would also say that for all those that try and make anything of the enmity between Mapfre and Dongfeng just take a look at Mapfre's arrival into Itajai and who was one of the first to greet the Spanish team. You don't need to be a body language expert to see the warmth of the greeting between Xabi Fernandez, Mapfre Skipper and Bruno Dubois, Dongfeng Team Director. Fighters on the water perhaps but they all face a common enemy, the ocean. SS
  10. How “wet” the Volvo Ocean 65 yachts are?

    Does anyone else think it funny that the video posted to start this thread about VO65's being wet has lots of boats with people getting wet but NOT ONE VO65 - they are all VO70s Just saying SS
  11. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Ha Ha just like here "T I C " = This is China SS
  12. Hancock

    Brilliant Hoppy
  13. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    What was it James Hardy said about sleeping like a baby? "I woke every 2 hours and cried". Mark you that was after a drubbing in the America's Cup from the American's. Don't worry about my sleep patterns. What will be will be and I learned a long time ago that whether I am asleep or awake I cannot influence what is happening elsewhere in the world. Just looking forward to welcoming the guys (all teams) into Newport safely. Glad I am not superstitious otherwise your theorising might worry me however..... Sleep well Jack, I can assure you I will. SS
  14. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    McDonalds probably already closed :-)
  15. Hancock

    I doubt if you ever learned it