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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. I suppose with the VOR announcement of a Legends Race next year this forum could be a valuable piece of research for Mark Turner and his boys tracking down the old entries
  2. Doesn't that make it all the more galling then that ETNZ from that little country kicked USA's ass then Alan
  3. Rudder, What can I say - amazing job of providing your fellow anarchists with the footage of every single race in the AC35 - above and beyond. Thank you, - so much appreciated Cheers SS
  4. I think I am mixing up a number of different feeds. I think I should just leave it as I love the J-Class, they are magnificent looking boats, amazing that so many people would want to restore or have a new one built. Did you do a thesis on boats of that era Jay? Respect. Cheers SS
  5. Oops - caught! The idea of the article was to promote just the above - meaningful discussion. Jay, it is interesting that in your first Para you quote Astra, Cambria & Candida as all three were indeed involved in the America's Cup as challengers Astra challenged in 1928 Cambria also challenged in 1928 Candida in 1929 Also that all three were later converted to the J-Class rule. Either way, I stand by most of what I said. The budgets that were thrown at most challengers and defenders took many ideas that while perhaps seen on smaller boats and brought them to a large audience. But I bow to your deeper more specialist knowledge of that period in our sport's history- no sarcasm implied or intended by the way, I should write with my head and not my heart. Or - next time ask my 'Uncle Bob' on America's Cup issues. One small point that has always made me smile. It course be said that this whole 160 year circus could all have started because of a poorly written set of SIs. All scuttlebutt perhaps but if America had gone outside the Nab Tower as the British boats did would she still have won? In fact given the distance sailed (around the Isle of Wight) her victory of just 8 minutes for the "One Hundred Pound Cup" must still rank as one of the closest even though it wasn't yet "The America's Cup" :-) Funny what one challenge can spawn over time. Anyway, likely it will all change again if the Kiwis don't fold like they did 4 years ago. Thanks for the corrections Jay, knowledge is always useful. See ya on the water SS
  6. I am reminded of the Monty Python Travel Agent sketch where one character asks "Is this the right room for an argument?" to which he receives the reply "I've told you once". Well it seems there are people on here who think "I've tod you once" when a scroll through the posts of the last week or so it clearly isn't so - someone else mate! It is very tiresome when you are the target of comeone's angst when it really should belong to someone else. I would also say that one if makes a detailed point in an argument where nobody is expressing an alternative view or opinion, then doesn't that turn the statement (and the supposed argument) into no more than a rant? OK I admit I made a couple of omissions/errors in my writings - I hereby publicly apologise for them - job done but I am out of here, I have better things to do with my time than defend things I didn't say or have what I said misquoted and twisted Might see some of you at some of the stopovers. Sail safe, sail fast. SS
  7. I'm with you DtM, people need to read what's written, not what they think is written or want to see. Staysail, you got me - arrow in the heart. You are dead right - well partly at least. I am an unashamed fan of the Volvo AND the Whitbread before it - yes I, like DtM am around 60 so I am that old. I remember reading about Ramon Carlin winning the first one, I was there at Ocean Village beering it up with what seemed hundreds of drunk Kiwis as Big Red came steaming up the Solent, I have been to more stopovers than hot dinners and been fortunate to do an inport on a 70 and training sails on a 65 and driven photo-RIBs at many stopovers so yes - guilty as charged. Has the race always been right? Of course not. I remember hearing how when, just after the Fastnet which Abu Dhabi broke the record on Ian Walker already knew his boat was unlikely to have a chance of winning because it was fast in the wrong directions. The fact that several races were to the IOR Maxi rule and a different headstay arrangement on Steinlager adjusted her rating so she had 2 feet on Fish-Pie, again game over before the start although I don't intend to take anything away from Sir Peter Blake's achievement in that race The 70's which broke left right and centre, keel bomb doors failing, hulls too light and delaminating especially in the fierce conditions the fleet encountered in the Luzon Straits rigs coming down and multiple legs completed on the deck of a ship, barge or truck. The move to One Design was not popular with all but the eventual winner of the last race is on record as saying it was really the only way to go and who would doubt Ian Walker's credentials. But to suggest that I "doesn't like my posts because he can't abide any criticism of this event or anyone or anything connected with it." smacks of paranoia on your part Staysail. Potter - sackcloth and ashes for me, I should read things more carefully myself it seems, I misread the reference where she was - according to the source "rescued by the Royal Navy" and took it to be her lifted off the boat. Humble pie on that one and from what you have just said, even that is wrong if they just stood by in a support rol'. Anyway, as far as I am concerned - case closed. Wonder which team will be next, perhaps the skipper will have done no ocean miles then no-one can pick fault he he! Stay calm and carry on peeps SS
  8. Retired Sailor - Strangely shipfinder.com has Vestas Wind showing (12 hours ago in the free version) as doing 2.8kts at the entrance to the marina in Alicante where there is a VOR conference going on right now. Don't want to read too much into it and the info maybe wrong but have always found this site very accurate. I used it to track the progress of a container ship that had a 50 foot racer we shipped up from Oz earlier this year and it was dead on. Staysail - you are so often apparently defensive but thank you for the compliment about being "very sure on yourself". That is because I check the information before I write it and I can assure you I mentally kick myself when I am inaccurate as I was when I omitted Dee Caffari's Barcelona World Race (thanks Potter for the correction.) My point wasn't that Dee or Sam was the better sailor, try reading what people write before using the "READY, FIRE, AIM" technique, it can save a lot of misunderstanding and having re-read your post I think it would be hard to interpret that your "mouthing off" comment was aimed at anyone else. Anyway - have to drag myself back to the day job, shame because it is so much more fun here. Cheers all SS
  9. A bit if a fan is he? :-)
  10. Yup Potter - points to you, I completely forgot about that one. primarily because it was not a race that I follow but 100% correct. Staysail, you don't half write some rubbish. After your latest post I looked back at some of the fantasy stuff you wrote about Dongfeng. You saying I was "mouthing off" is more than just a little of what, in the UK, would be called "the pot calling the kettle black". If you don't understand what I mean - look it up. That said, one of the cool thing about the Anarchy forums is everyone can have their opinion. However, In my mind Potter's reminder of the BWR is that with 2.5(ish) more laps of the planet Dee Caffari, like I said "has more ocean miles" two laps of which were against the prevailing winds. I didn't say Sam was not an excellent sailor, of course she is- but in terms of miles she would have to do quite a few transats. You say you've "lost count of Sam's transatlantic races", well actually, I understand, she has done eight - impressive in anyone's opinion. Anyway, on this one we have to agree to differ, we have agreed on may things in the past and are bound to be in the same camp or different camp many times in the future. Stay well fellow anarchist. SS
  11. I think we are actually both wrong, I forgot about her skippering one of Chay's boats.. Her first go round was as a skipper in Chay Blyth's Global Challenge event. 2nd was sponsored by Aviva to replicate Chay Blyth's circumnavigation against the prevailing winds hence her Autobiography title "Against the Flow". 3rd Vendee Globe, again sponsored by Aviva making her 1st woman to circle both directions. 4th With SCA in last VOR. I can't think of a 5th but might be wrong. But you are completely correct Potter, she has sailed twice around with a crew and most importantly, one of those occasions was as skipper and also with an amateur crew in the same vein as the Clipper which must be a tougher assignment and with a crew that knows completely what they are doing. Don't underestimate her, she actually has more ocean miles, I'd wager, than Sam Davies. SS
  12. All those naysayers a couple of months ago saying that there wasn't going to be a full start line :-) Dee is a welcome return to the VOR and with (I think) 3 circumnavigations to her name certainly knows her way round the planet. Only two slots left - will we see newcomers filling them or more familiar faces returning? SS.
  13. the rule you are looking for is 49.2 but that only applies if you are on a boat with lifelines
  14. Perhaps if you were sailing downwind with your torso outside the lifelines while holding a sheet. Nothing in the rules that says you can't and nothing I can find in the RRSAC V209 either
  15. So which Rule would that be?