shanghaisailor

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About shanghaisailor

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  1. shanghaisailor

    VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

    & BTW if you had one transplanted I'm sure it would reject you
  2. shanghaisailor

    VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

    Shows how little you know you. Someone should switch off your life support, you are clearly already brain dead - and have been for some time. Pity you didn't watch the whole vid then you would have seen his expression at the end of the race. Check the Front Page if you haven't seen it. Asshole!
  3. shanghaisailor

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    They have been to that sort of latitude before. Qingdao isn't so different. It would be bloody cold though on the one side without adjustment to the Race schedule and South Korea is an economic powerhouse on the other
  4. shanghaisailor

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    +1 Jack. They are two different races that have spawned 2 differing solutions in the boats that are used. It should also be remembered that a VG campaign is much cheaper to fund than a Volvo campaign, at least according to VG globe skippers and VOR teams which (and yes I have spoken to a number of each )strangely, is a significant part of why the VG has so many more entrants just in the same way (to use your analogy) there are more SUVs on the road than sports cars
  5. shanghaisailor

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    But, if, maybe - apples will never be oranges mate! Don't mix facts with fiction. 14.28 is a long way from 30, on my calculator it is half and in statistics 1 is generally considered an anomaly.
  6. shanghaisailor

    VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

    NO - YOU check your source. The team RIBs were not used at all for joyriding the public outside VOR or team duties. VOR have already issued a statement that the accident, sad as it was, it did not involve a VOR RIB. To accuse VOR of any involvement would be like blaming a soccer team because a fan drove off the road on the way home from a game. Try listening to someone who was there like Potter or myself. SS
  7. shanghaisailor

    VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

    The team RIBs were, very shortly after the VO65s docked in for the last 9official) time were driven round to the inner harbour, craned out, washed down, engines flushed through, deflated and de-logo'd, returned to VOR and put in a container for shipping (presumably for shipping to Lisbon). I know because I was part of that process for one of the teams. I'm sure you can guess which one :-) I can confirm what Potter said that the unfortunate collision between a ROB and a steel motor boat was entirely separate from any VOR operations SS
  8. shanghaisailor

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    The argument for the IMOCA takes no account that the VOR sailors "drive them like they stole them" and a VO65 was designed to take that into account - to virtually no matter what, get round the race course. That said my primary concerns would be; 1. Less people on the boat means less stories and interactions for the OBR to record and comment on meaning less human interest likely leading to less 'hits', a primary source of the sponsors getting their name out there. 2. If not one design the likes of a leg, never mind the race, being decided in the last few miles, (Auckland, Newport also had 'edge of the seat' finishes) again leading to less 'hits'. Apparently the Den Haag finish had 2 million views in the closing miles, would we see that if the boats were hours (or days) apart - doubtful. 3. As we saw with the last Vendee Globe the IMOCA 60 still has reliability issues, some thing like 30% didn't make it - (to clarify for the dumber readers that's 3 from a 10 boat fleet). It is easy to forget that while cost control is important there are a number of elements to the cost of a campaign that are fixed. The bases and boatyard are two examples - a stop is a stop and this element of the race is important for the B2B element of many sponsors' ROI. As important as the upfront and campaign costs to the ROI equation is of course what marketing/media/promotion etc return the sponsor gets. If the stories are less frequent or interesting, if the boats are miles/hours apart or if the team can't finish a leg because of breakdown then the chance of reduced coverage for a team AND THEREFORE a sponsor is also reduced leading to less ROI - it's not rocket science. It should not be forgotten that in the last 2 editions of the VOR apart from hitting a reef or a fishing boat NOT ONE of the teams failed to finish a single leg before the next one started and that included two teams losing a rig (DFRT 2 editions ago & Vestas this latest edition). Even Scallywag after the sad loss of The Fish managed, through help, to get to Itajai on time and then with the help of literally everyone were ready for the leg to Newport. AND (largely by couple of superhuman efforts by Persico) all boats that started in Alicante finished the race. I sometimes wonder how long soccer would remain so popular if there was a chance some of the top teams might not be able to complete a season and lose a championship by default because of some unexpected breakdown? Just a thought! ss
  9. shanghaisailor

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    I don't know whether it is Volvo Corporate or just Volvo GB but they have been incredibly supportive of grass roots sailing and above in the UK. Championship Clubs through to Team GBR at Olympic level
  10. shanghaisailor

    VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

    Not at all sir, apologies if you thought so. We may not always agree but that doesn't imply low intelligence. I was referring to one who adds nothing to this forum. i am also v. Tired having just landed back in Asia from The Hague, happily so though & I completely agree with you, this is great for sailing in China
  11. shanghaisailor

    VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

    Don't jump to conclusions
  12. shanghaisailor

    VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

    All Apple products are more Chinese than anything else
  13. shanghaisailor

    VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

    Exactly Jack! Only fault with your post is you quoted the person who makes a slug appear intelligent although I agree it is sometimes hard to not react in exactly the same way it is hard not to swat a mosquito that lands on your arm. SS
  14. shanghaisailor

    VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

    You know something the redress committee didn't Francis? Read the Rule (62), it clearly states through NO fault of their own.
  15. shanghaisailor

    VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

    To all the fuckwits that are trying to deny the Chinese success. 25% of the overall team were Chinese Also it is easy for countries with generations of sailors to have a "national team". Nobody calls Brunel anything other than Dutch yet the sailing squad breakdown was NED 2; GBR 2; AUS 4; GER 1; NZL 1; ITA 1; USA 2; DEN 1; ARG 2; FRA 1 The closest to a "national team" was Scallywag, they had 7 Aussies in the squad and were sailing for Hong Kong? It's not the Olympics - suck it up! Shanghai Sailor