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  1. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    ha ha Jack, I remember comments being made when the design was launched that is was as if someone had mated a VO70 with a Winnebego
  2. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    What do you mean START smoking ha ha. Andrew is a wiley old bird so don't be surprised by any moves he makes under cover of darkness ;-) It is going to be interesting in a few hours to see where they pop up. In the meantime all the others can do is keep the pedal to the metal SS
  3. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    Wrong again Jack, no pain involved. It will be what it will be. And in the meantime it is entertaining racing. I do find your assumption that DFRT is the only team which can make an expensive error or sail into an extended piece of relatively light weather somewhat puzzling. I suspect you are correct as these boats all have sailors on them I know and respect and for different reasons I would be happy to see any of them win the leg but the fat lady hasn't even put her make up on yet. To repeat Stu B.'s comment - and he's done a few more ocean miles than either of us - "it's never over until it's over". One things for sure I will be at my computer regularly for the next few days. SS
  4. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    Respect & well said Gaurav. All us armchair admirals should read the post above -are egos getting in the way of sensible seamanlike decisions? I know I am a 50 year sailor and know my way around a boat but would not be happy on the foredeck of a 70 footer in gnarly weather off the coast of South Africa or the Southern Ocean, harness or not (I am 62 by the way) The foredeck is a young man's game (unless you are Jerry Kirby and Ken Read described him as a 'freak of nature') Gauav is spot on - the only thing that buys experience is .....experience with the odd hard knock thrown in for good measure. Seeing Guarav raised it, I have spoken to some of these (no experience before) Clipper sailors and some seem to think they are Joshua Slocum. SS
  5. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    "Turns out there is a substantial likelihood of dying" - it's the frigging ocean, of course there is. Crux would be, I suppose whether Clipper gloss over that or not. Having said that the number of people climbing Everest has not fallen away (bad choice of words perhaps) because of multiple deaths on the mountain and the high profile injury to Michael Schumacher who was taking far more precautions than a very high % of skiers has not damaged the alpine ski market so one has to ask 'Why do people do the clipper?' Perhaps it is BECAUSE of the risks and make no mistake and adventure without risks goes against the very definition of the word. Either way, the cause needs to be properly investigated. I remember (and I am blue skying here) thinking that the new fleet was a little too racey for the likes of the clipper - a bit to exposed on deck (just an opinion) but until the new fleet arrived Clipper had no issues with people falling off is I recall correctly. As I say, just blue skying.
  6. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    Ha - as a lawyer you obviously know how to make an argument to suit your views. No doubt you have heard of the expression "lies, damn lies and statistics" - easy to play with figures. However, I am sure you prefer facts to assumptions. So is it 3 deaths in "probably like 250" (don't you just love precise figures guys) OR is it 3 deaths in the 4,000 or so sailors Clipper has taken Ocean Racing since the company was founded. 3 Deaths is too many but human failures, mechanical failures, gear failures can be trained for, checked for and allowed for but if things didn't sometimes go wrong there would be no room for the word 'Accident' in the dictionary. Truly, I think a bunch of anarchists beating their gums over who was at fault without knowing the precise details of circumstances is pure speculation. The only body likely to be able to come to a professional finding - after hearing from everyone concerned is the UK's MAIB and they are PDG at getting to the bottom of this sort of thing. So in the meantime let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. And let's not forget that we are only having this discussion because some poor guy (who was a keen sailor - not just an adventure junkie) went over the side alive and was brought back on board dead. Thoughts and sympathy to his family. Sail on Simon Spiers SS
  7. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    Good job you used the word "might" in your post Jack, careful though that sort of supposition is a slight reminder of an "absent friend's" comments - ha ha. Just before I turned in last night I posted that perhaps DFRT would pass the other Chinese boat while I slept so, as you can imagine, I am a happy camper to wake this morning to see that (according to the VOR tracker) the East Wind is in - what many people wrote off less than 24 hours ago - a podium position having taken out not only TTOP and the HK boat but moved into third as a little bonus. It should also be remembered that they lost all that ground because of an error. To assume the current positions will remain is an assumption that no errors will be made on any boat - maybe not but......... As Stu B. said on Dongfeng "it's never over until it's over". Now the hunted turns hunter and after 2 weeks with a target on their back, Dongfeng is the chaser. Even if I had money to burn (which I don't) I wouldn't be placing a bet on who fills the podium, never mind the order or the winner. The excitement quotient just went up a peg or two (for me at least) SS
  8. Another fatality for Clipper Around the World.

    Sorry, if you have to ask that question you have no real idea, not only why people do the Clipper Race or indeed why so many people actually sail offshore. We all know the risks and manage them and, frankly, Clipper manage those risks extremely well BUT accidents happen. That doesn't make them any less tragic but big seas, a bouncing foredeck and before you know it...... And it doesn't "keep happening"! If it was commonplace it wouldn't make the BBC News or MSN News page! Sad loss just the same and a reminder to us weekend warriors, at whatever level we play our sport or even just potter around the swatchways that the sea, when she is in the mood, shows no mercy. Sail on Simon - fair winds. SS
  9. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    I'm not that teckie, just enjoying the fight and hoping our guys make a fist of it. When I wake up tmw morning I shall see if it was a false dawn or not We should hopefully pass Dee and the other Chinese boat during the (my) night SS
  10. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    He might well be WLIS, update in the last sked I have just seen show the East Wind (Dongfeng) have already clawed 14 miles back As Stu said they are just sailing the boat, sometimes a little extra coal on the fire in the belly can make a lot of difference. SS
  11. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    Love it, nice play on words Jack My guys on DF are gonna have to pull something magic out of the hat to get back ion this leg's game methinks SS
  12. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    Well, anyone who reckoned Capey was (I can't remember the exact quote) "one of the most over-rated navigators" must surely be eating their words after the move Brunel have pulled over the last few hours. Note guys - I didn't actually quote him :-) It is dangerous to see one move and call doom and gloom or glory on any of the guys in front of the only computer screens that really matter right now. Still 2,500 miles to go but I agree DFRT's move has been 'expensive'. SS
  13. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    Don't know where you saw it mentioned but a backstay deflector is a piece of rigging that pulls the topmast backstay into the mast when, for example, flying the Fractional Code Zero (FRO) to act against the pull of the luff tension on the FRO. It kind of changes a topmast backstay into a fractional running backstay like in the old IOR days.
  14. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    If we as a forum of (presumably) sailors are finding it difficult to decide who is in the lead in the race to Capetown I can start to appreciate the difficulties of the guys at VOR in placing a waypoint in order to provide the non-sailor - which is, after all, who the sponsors ALSO want to get interested in the race (and their brand) - with an idea (and it can only be an idea) of who is winning. Then again, maybe not all the VOR people are as capable or aware or as up to it (whatever it is) as one would hope. For example there are some in the organisation who think that Nansha Marina, home of the Guanzhou stopover, is not a good enough venue for an event while jus the other evening Ferrari though quite the opposite choosing Nansha Marina as the site for their China launch their much lauded Ferrari Portofino, the replacement for the almost iconic California. To give an idea of how important this market is to Ferrari there are comfortably more millionaires in China than the whole of Europe and many of them are young entrepreneurial 'Ferrari buying' types. Not only that, according to no lesser an authority than Forbes, earlier this year, for the first time ever the good ole USA was knocked off the top spot in number of billionaires by - yep, you guessed it, China. So Guangzhou and Nansha Marina are good enough for Ferrari but not some of the Volvo people - reverse snobbery perhaps? ha ha! SS
  15. VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

    In match racing it would be called "throwing a dummy" :-) Mr Bedegorry is a wiley old fox