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  1. Lief Erikson

    A brief treatise on the America's. If you have to blame someone, blame Genghis Kahn. The Mongolian Hegenomy stabilize Central Asia and made the Silk Road a saf e passage between Mediterranean and the Far East. This dynamic period, came to a nasty end when eastern pathogens found new hosts in the east. The plague killed enough people to break the Silk Road, and enough Europeans and Africans to crater both societies. The people who survived had enhanced resistance to these diseases, and their offspring could endure diseases that had been lethal only generations before. When the sailing ship developed that was capable of reaching the America's it also introduced these pathogens to a new population which had no immunity. The mortality rate among Americans on the eastern seaboard in the period between first contact and colonization is somewhere north of 95%. What the Pilgrams encountered wasn't a virgin wilderness, but the overgrown infrastructure of a recently extinct population. The next consequence of this was that there was an insufficient population of indigenous people to put to work exploiting the resources of the "New World." So labor had to be acquired. Slavery was a time tested solution and the Portuguese, who had the greatest expertise in trans Atlantic navegation made a market in supplying the America's with African slave labor. In the 15th & 16th centuries, slavery was one of the many things that life could deal out. If you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, anyone could be captured and enslaved. The peoples of the Mediterranean were enslaving each other all the time. Arabs were importing slaves from Africa and dealing them into the east. The thing that was different about the Atlantic slave trade was that the displacement caused by the sailing ship was as extreme as if you or I was transported to Mars. The other thing was that slavery took on a racial aspect that did not exist in the Mediterranean. You couldn't tell that a Greek or a Turk was a freeman or a slave, but on the western shores of the Atlantic, anyone that was black was a slave. In these was American Slavery is distinct from other slave holding traditions. It is also important to point out that the African societies didn't know or particularly care about what they were getting themselves into. They didn't know what actually happened after the ships sailed away, and they didn't know just how much of their populations they would be exporting. In some ways this was as if another plague tore through the population and carried away the young and the fit. The further refinement of the sailing ship brought more and more people from Europe including the disposed and labor classes who were willing to risk all for a chance to work. Ultimately this made more economic sense than slavery, and the Colonies closest to Europe could abandon owning labor because there was plenty available for rent on a daily basis. You didn't have to feed, clothe and house them either. As a final kicker, the commerce they created buying food etc added to the economies of the north and made them grow faster than the slave colonies of the south. A long way around to saying that the consequence of Columbus' voyages to America was the North Atlantic Slave Trade and to a certain extent the Black Lives Matter movement. SHC
  2. It is reasonable to suggest a big canting keel day racer will be faster than Rambler, or Wild Oats, but that is about half as fast as the AC 50. Rambler, Wild Oats and CQS have made pretty serious efforts to enhance their performance with DSS foils with very minimal success. These boats had deisel engines, which is a bit of a stumbling block. So I believe this foiling monohull concept is far from a slam dunk. In order to gain performance, the boats may well gain many of the negative aspects of multihull. They may not right themselves after a capsize, they may have deck spreaders or foil arrangements that make then as ungainly lay and difficult to manage ashore as the big catamarans. If they have to be craned in and out of the water every day, they will be just as costly to manage, and if they are engineered to the limit of materials, they will be fragile when sailing above their "design conditions." The first thing a design team will do is try to understand the prevailing conditions in order to optimize the boat for those conditions. If this isn't City Front, boats will break. Much of this can be addressed in the design rules and sailing instructions. I have no desire to return to the days when multimillion dollar racing boats would not race in more than 18 knots of wind because they would burn trough their tissue paper jibs too fast. In short, expect something far more like a V5 IACC than an AC 50 and come to grips with racing at less than 1/2 the pace of the last Cup. I actually believe that the way forward was to permit some additional design freedom around the foils ( including flaps and surface sensor systems) which would have lead to develop,meant of true rough water foiling, and possibly advanced seafaring. But that is just me. SHC
  3. Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    The assembler is supposed to use pins as an alignment guide when installing the two blocks so that the holes align, and chase them with a chucking ream after the glue cures and to make sure the pin goes through. If it doesn't get a small round file and open things up just a bit. As Merde says, it doesn't take much and a bit of lube may be all that is necessary. These parts will wear and loses a bit with use, so we try to ship with everything just about as tight as it can be and still go together. it is possible that the hole in the foil is also slightly out of alignment even though there is a fixture that holds everything neat and square on the drill press. If the pin goes through the blocks and through the strut but not through all three you may need to waddle the hole with a small rat tail file to make it fit. Once again, sorry for the frustration, I will check with the guys on the floor to make sure procedures are being followed. SHC
  4. Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    I will add a bit here. The difficulty getting through a tack and out of irons is a consequence of the decision to put the main foil in front of the mast. It requires some technique, but all the management benefits of the UFO depend on this feature. Key concept is to get the boat turned well beyond close hauled before trimming in the main, and to trim slowly. You have to get flow on the rudder as quickly as you can. Sitting too far aft, drags the sterns and slows your acceleration, so you want to try to land on the weather side further forward than where you were sitting when starting the tack. The deck sweeping foot of the mainsail kind of discourages you from doing this, but you can use it to your advantage. As you turn through the eye of the wind, reach around the more vertical part of the foot, aft of the foot seal, and sort of pull it past your shoulder, like you were shouldering your way past someone in a crowd. Don't start crossing the boat until the mainsail is behind you. This forces the sail to help you turn, starts your motion across the boat, and assures that the main is well eased on the new tack. You want the clew to be outboard of the leeward quarter on the new tack. Keep the helm over throughout the tack you should think you are tacking to a reach rather than tacking to close hauled. Try to land near the forward non skid patch, and swap your tiller hand before trimming the main and popping the battens. Do either too soon and the leech will load up and stall the rudder. Sheeting in. Is best bone with a short tug to tack the battens followed by a small ease to establish flow, once you are settled down, a smooth trim while turning up to close hauled. This will provide the necessary speed build to get you back up on foils. I hope this helps. This quirk is a function of all the good things about the UFO. It takes a little getting used to, but with practice you will get it down. SHC
  5. Coolboats to admire

    Nice photo of Beowolf. Funny you should put it up. We were just visiting with Steve and Linda in Newport. Steve took the attached photo of Red Herring's new sails, with very sexy square top mizzen. I can't square head the main without doing something strange with the fixed back stay, like split it into two, which I am pretty much unwilling to do. The masthead mizzen assymetrical has to wait for a modification of the mizzen forestays. They need to be moved aft and I have to make it possible to slack the leeward stay so the sail can be sheeted. Chain plates are there, just not the cables and tackles. There is also a Solent we can set inside the head stay. So we have quite a lot of things to keep boredom at bay. red hering resizes.psd SHC
  6. Coolboats to admire

    On mizzens from up the thread... I'm a long time ketch and yawl type, having grown up on a Block Island 40 and inherited Red Herring. Not to mention icons like Stormvogel, Ticonderoga, and Windward Passage! Who wouldn't want a ketch! Mizzens are really useful if you know how to use them. They are not very useful on boats that race windward leeward courses, but on races with reaches, they are pretty good, and for cruising and sailing off angles not featured on race courses. I find them really useful for all sorts of boat handling. You don't learn this stuff in sloop school. For starters, they will keep you head the wind. Sheet the sucker in hard and pin the helm on center and Herring will back straight down wind while I get the main up or down. If we are sailing off the mooring, I can determine which tack we will fall off on by backing the mizzen the other way. All cool sailor stuff. Once you are reaching, that ability to hang up extra laundry is amusing and the extra low area can push you along and add onto the miles with very little extra stress. I can get bored, so having lots to fiddle and fuss with is part of the fun. These sails are relatively small and light and managing them is not a a chore. The biggest advantage is maintaining weather helm when really shortened down. As sails are reefed their center of pressures move forward. The same is true of smaller jibs. So when it really gets ugly, you find that your boat wants to fall off to leeward in the gusts as you ease the main. This is deadly bad. You can sink if you are knocked over on you beam ends. You can solve this by having a mizzen. On Red Herring we never shorten the mizzen, I have a cascading mizzen sheet with what used to be called a vernier. It is double ended. There is a two to one for coarse trimming, which has a three to one on the opposite tail. This gives me a six to one sheet that I can hand hold if I want. So I can play the mizzen sheet and steer at the same time. Up wind in a breeze, the mizzen is flattened as much as I can with down haul and vang. If I think I have too much helm or need to bear away, I can quickly ease the mizzen without it getting full and twisted. If we are dealing with big puffs and have to ease the main, I can trim the mizzen to keep her head up. And that is before you consider going "Jib and Jigger" which may be one of the most salutary sailing arrangements for short handed sailing in heavy air. As the name implies, you set a slightly bigger jib than you might otherwise, and the mizzen. Leave the mainsail on the boom. A very nice low pressure sail can be had when others might have a long wet day. It isn't unprecedented to leave the mizzen up when at anchor..... I have kept one set for a week at a time, so it just sort of gets the job done. The biggest thing wrong with yawl and ketch rigs, other than the fact that mizzens are pretty useless for sausage racing, is the cost on the second mast and the rigging and sails that go with it. I recall Olin Stephens saying that Dorade was happiest with something like 7 Degees of rudder. That makes sense to me as it makes her keel and underbody into an assymetrical (very low aspect ratio) wing. This is true of any boat with an attached rudder and one reason why some weather helm is faster than no weather helm. SHC
  7. Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    Further rumor is that Luca is considering rescheduling The Foil Week into March. Irma kind of put a damper on fall and early winter activities in South Florida. SHC
  8. Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    There are a few spots where these boats can leak. We changed a few details and tuned up our bonding procedure to solve the problems. We have instituted the old Vanguard leak test in our QC checks. We cribbed directly from the Europe Dinghy Class, not just because we had the kit left over from when we built Eropes, but because it turned out to be a very good way to determine if a boa leaks. Bubble tests are good at finding leaks, but you can miss a leak, so you need a more global test which establishes if the boat leaks or doesn't leak. We pressurize the hull enough to achieve 130mm differential on a water gauge. That differential shall not fall below 50mm in 30 seconds. We are doing this on all new boats so we can tune up the assembly and assure the customers that the boats are watertight. The suspects are usually the scuppers that drain the little hand hold "kiss offs" on the deck, or a small void in the bond of the watertight bulkhead just behind the mast. Both are pretty easily fixed. SHC
  9. DC Designs

    Seats extend the same distance from centerline, so should be cross platform compatible.The only caveat is that because the new boats can be narrower than the Nethercotts, the actual extension out the side of the boat is greater. 750mm beam compared to 1014mm beam. So the seat is cantilevered about 130 mm more on minimum beam boat than on a Nethercott. The measurement of all of the bits is pretty much identical between the one design and the development rules, rig height, centerboard depth, sail area, seat extension etc were kept consistent with their historical precedents. I rounded some things off to more convenient numbers, but the intent was that any boat that ever measured in would continue to measure in. SHC
  10. DC Designs

    And from the old man. We will sell the DXF files and a license to build boats at US$ 100. Because someone will inevitably want to build a carbon fiber one, I will sort out a set of external frames that the panels can be fit into without using the internal structure as the building structure. Should be pretty easy. The elders are thinking nice thoughts about a little more stability. Remember that the olddevelopment rule allowed boats as skinny as the new rules (750mm) and the boat that emerged as "best compromise" was 1014 mm wide. So I had been meditating about what I can do in a beamier hull form. It will probably give something away upwind and in a short chop, but There isn't much slower than a capsized IC. I have an idea, based on Lou Whitman's Phoenix that was probably faster than the Nethercot in 1970, but never got much of a chance after the ICF made the Nethercot the only approved shape. Willy is playing a little fast and lose with his Dad's time. We always get excited by the World's and unfortunately, the either energy of the event dissipates or my contributions somehow miss their mark. The result that I spend a bunch of time and money creating something that nobody wants. I am pretty addicted to my own dope but don't have much luck getting others to take a taste. SHC
  11. Sailrocket 3 - The Offshore version

    I know I tried it on half a dozen models when I was a kid and it didn't work as well as putting weight on the high side. Of course where I lived, it blew hard almost all the time, and ithe only reliable way to make one of my sailing models go faster was to put shifting ballast on deck, or in many cases further to windward on outriggers. This was the only way I ever got my free sailing models to plane upwind. Which WAS pretty cool when I got I got it right, about once a year ........ SHC
  12. AC36 Auckland NZ

    Simple nationality rule: crew must speak the native language of the competitors nation during competition. Artemis speaks Swedish, SoftBank-Japanese, etc. At the very least this would give the national teams an inherent relevance to their nations. As I see it, Dalton wants first pick of all the Kiwis without having to bid against those from other nations who might pay more. So it is at once a cost control scheme and a way to ( if you believe that New Zealanders ( like vegans) are just better) to deny the competition access to the best. This is only true if you are addicted to a certain flavor of Kool Aid. Back in the dawn of time, when Hood sailcloth was 1000% better than anything else in the world, this was an absolute advantage that the NYYC surrendered only after the development of film sails and the advantage was worthless. Each team did their own development though. All major components, like winches, spars, and steering gear was all CIC. As a fan of these things, I really liked the creativity and diversity this encouraged. It is easy to imagine that this was good for the marine industries in the various nations, and that the benefits outweighed the costs. I mean if the richest people ina particular nation are going to wank off into the Auld Mugg, isn't it better that they spend the money in their home country in the native sailing businesses? Kind of a service to the home boys. SHC
  13. Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    The deepest the boat can get is 54 inches ( 1370mm or 4'6) This is when you are way aft with the rudder all the way down. The rudder is 6" deeper than the main foil In this attitude your speed will be as close to 0 as it gets. Generally speaking 4' of water is enough unless you are flying, then something like 18" is deep enough if you are good enough. If you stop, make sure you tip over to windward or it can get expensive. SHC
  14. Singlehand 49'er?

    Biggest problem with the 49er singlehanded is righting the boat. The rig is really big when on its side and sometimes a single monkey doesn't enough avoirdupois to stand it up. Can get very boring before it gets very expensive. SHC
  15. Craigslist Finds

    US1 was mo less a cut down Windmill just as the Banchee was a cut down FJ. US 1 wasn't a bad boat sailing boat. Of all the Laser clones of the mid 70s, they were in the top 5 or so. None were better than the Laser however. SHC