mfluder

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  1. mfluder

    Teams?

    How is it not fair to the "Super Teams"? You've already said the late teams already have a huge mountain to climb to catch up to the other challengers. Wouldn't having more competitive teams also be an advantage to the Super Teams? The more competition they have, the more they will improve. How would cancelling the event in 2019 be "fair" to those Super Teams? Especially LR? The protocol always stated there was to be an event in 2019, thats what they have been preparing for, so cancelling the event would only throw their schedule out wouldn't it? It may also be detrimental to the LR campaign as well. Surely easing the rules for the late teams while allowing the Super teams to compete is by far the most "Fair" option for everyone, as well as the event itself. You need to see the big picture.
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    Teams?

    Let me get this straight... You think ETNZ is not being fair, but then you don't want them to ease any rules to accommodate teams, or make it easier for them?
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    Teams?

    https://www.sail-world.com/news/212958/A-tsunami-of-Am-Cup-Challenges-hits-Auckland Gladwell's Line: America's Cup Challengers - a nice problem to have "That being the case, there is no way that they can have a Challenge accepted in early December, and be on the start line in October 2019 for the first of the America's Cup World Series event set down for Cagliari, Sardinia. So expect to see that Protocol requirement adjusted for the single AC75 teams. Expect also to have the 380 days residency rule softened for teams who have competitors involved in Olympic programs, and similar. Ultimately it is to the advantage of the America's Cup regatta to have current Olympic champions and competitors sailing in the fleet. They add credence to the Cup. Expect some of the Entry Fee, Late Fee and Performance Bonds to be paid on a deferred basis or a changed date - but not eliminated altogether. Sail-World has raised the issue of the Late Fee previously with two of the teams that are either accepted - Malta Altus Challenge, and the next expected Challenger - Team USA21. Both have said the Late Entry Fee is not a significant barrier to entry. The second Entry Fee, due on November 30 can be put onto a time payment - with the final instalment due in August 2019. Other than those three changes, there is not a lot of others possible without impacting strategy decisions already made by the initial Challenger group. The Challenger of Record, Circolo della Vela Sicilia is unlikely to agree to any major Protocol changes" Sounds pretty fair to Me...
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    Teams?

    This is a great interview from a few months back, and explains a lot of the questions being answered (queue the "Daltons a liar" comments)
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    My pleasure.
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    Teams?

    If you need to ask what the definition of Informed discussion is, you're probably not ready to have one. And you should've known the definition of it before you asked for one anyway.
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    Teams?

    I see I have got under your skin. Here's the thing...if you insult Me, I'll insult you. Then, and only then. So if you feel insulted, its only because you've insulted Me at some stage. You give as good as you get my friend. And I think that's only fair. As for SA being a discussion forum, I agree, but here's a tip...if you want to have an informed discussion, it pays to know a little bit about what you're talking about, so you have something worthwhile to contribute to that discussion, especially if you're going to claim to know more than the sailors involved in the Americas Cup itself. And by the way, calling someone out for something, insulting them, and then crying about people bullying you when you realise it was actually you who was wrong is pretty childish also. As for the rest...white noise. I have posted in depth comments as to my reasoning when it comes to my opinions, all in the hopes of having an "informed" discussion, but what do I get, "Oh you just quote anything favorable from the Press" and "Dalton, Bernasconi and Sirena are all liars, and don't believe Ben Ainslie, Terry Hutchinson, Peter Burling, or even Jimmy Spithill, because they will say anything to keep Bertelli and Dalton happy, Richard Gladwell is an ETNZ hack. But you should all believe Me because i know better than any of them because I'm on Sailing Anarchy Forums" is not an informed discussion. So moral of the story, I'm all for informed discussion, and I'll admit when I'm wrong, when proved wrong. If the discussion deteriorates, its your doing, not mine.
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    Teams?

    So this is where those who have bagged this AC, fall over. First, you pick apart the protocol claiming its unfair (even though no one has complained about it) then you complain about the new class of boat saying "Its too expensive, and too dangerous, and they should've just stayed with the Cats" and "The Boat is stupid, GR75, JC75 yada yada yada) when the number of existing/ accepted/ Potential Challengers would seem to discredit that argument altogether. Then you said the CoR shouldn't have Veto rights, even though according to the Deed Of Gift, MUTUAL CONSENT exists only between Defender and Challenger, therefor its the only way it could work. Also, the last time LR gave up their Veto rights, they were shafted by a group of Challengers beholden to Larry Ellison and his vision. Then you said "Dalton complained during AC34 about costs and now he's being a hypocrite) So take your earmuffs off for a second and stop screaming lalalala so you actually understand WHY and HOW the situation differs. * AC34 was much more expensive than AC32, it was a new class of boat, and a new direction. It was steered away from Monohulls into Multihulls * First we had Mascalzone Latino who were CoR following BMW Oracle's win in Valencia in 2010. * They soon withdrew due to the costs being too high (something Dalton argued many times, and was ultimately correct) * Artemis Racing became CoR * ETNZ and LR entered making 3 Challengers. LR was late and bought a design package off ETNZ * Artemis suffered disaster, after disaster, after disaster and were bundled out by LR. * ETNZ introduces Foiling, which becomes the new norm in the Americas Cup. * Last minute Rule Changes directly impact the Cup match, ETNZ is not able to adapt and overcome, and they lose the Cup. * Bermuda happens, two CoR's withdraw, one due to costs being too high (Again) the other due to their own Naivety thinking if they waived their veto rights as CoR, the Challengers would work together to defeat the Challenger, where the opposite happened and the challengers worked together to try and help the Defender retain. A whole slew of underhanded tactics on the part of ACEA/ Oracle Team USA to try and stop the ETNZ/ LR partnership failed in its attempts. * ETNZ wins the Cup * They introduce the AC75, they attract what is now 5 Challengers, with potential for more, still those who "disagree" with Dalton say he's a hypocrite, when in reality, the costs compared to the previous cycle aren't that different. To your average everyday non-sailor, YES they are ridiculous, but they've always been ridiculous! they've never been cheap, even in Bermuda the costs skyrocketed. in terms of previous costs they're actually not that different. Its all relative. The previous cycle was supposedly also focused on cost-cutting, yet we still only had 5 teams, and we had teams spending hundreds of millions of dollars on their campaigns. Max Sirena (The Skipper of a current AC team) said a team could compete this time around on a 50-60 million dollar budget, the problem is the good old Sailing Anarchy folks who obviously know better, don't believe him! haha! The real issue is, they're bitter because ETNZ won, and Dalton was right all along. They want LR to give up their CoR rights again, even though they got shafted last time because of it. They want a "Cheap event" (Even when there has NEVER been a cheap event). They bitched and moaned about only 3 challengers, and how its a failure because there's not many teams, and now they're bitching and moaning because there's too many and they're hoping there won't be any more entries because that would mean more teams than last time and they can't bitch and moan about costs anymore (even though they will) and they only want teams who are serious about winning this time, and teams focused on the future are a waste of time anyway. They think Dalton is a hypocrite because he complained about costs during AC34 , even though he was right. They think the AC75 is stupid and too dangerous, even though Bernasconi has said they are doing everything they can to mitigate the chances of harm to boats and sailors (The problem is, again those same old Sailing Anarchy posters don't believe the head of a design team who clearly out-designed every other team, because they somehow know better than he does) They think the AC75 is "Stupid" even though no team has bagged the AC75 and is excited and looking forward to sailing it, but of course, they're lying because what else are they) They think the Press is bias towards ETNZ and they don't like people who quote stories from the Press, because the Press only report the "Favorable stuff" All of the reasons for bagging this Cup are all BS. Yet they still put their fingers in their ears and yell lalalala because they don't want to hear the truth.
  9. mfluder

    Teams?

    But you are
  10. mfluder

    Teams?

    "You’re basically New Zealand’s slightly less informed version of Stingray. You regurgitate anything favorable mentioned in the press and just go with it" - Like I said, making up stories is straight up bullshitting.
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    Teams?

    Haha true to form. Seems to be the only way you guys cope with being embarrassed. Hey, its not my fault you don't know what you're talking about and keep getting called out and embarrassed for your bullshit. Here's a tip...do some research, and actually learn a thing or two about the subject matter you're talking about. That way, you won't get owned over and over again. You're welcome
  12. mfluder

    Teams?

    I guess that makes you a slightly less informed A4E. You just make up stories, and regurgitate them over and over again. Ya see here's the thing...making up stories isn't "free thinking" Its just straight up bullshitting.
  13. mfluder

    Teams?

    Maybe we should call you dumb as a rock sailing fan lol
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    Teams?

    In what way?
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    Teams?

    Cheaper than what? Cheaper than Oracles budget in 2013? Yes. Cheaper than ETNZ's budget in 2017, Probably not. Like I said, its relative. Ive said that the whole time. The Americas cup costs a fortune. Always has, always will. Its an investment.