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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. The Opti kids don't know the rules. The Opti parents think they know the rules. Because of on the water judges, the kids will never learn the rules. The Opti parent knows a couple of rules so they think the argue about all of the rules with the coaches, judges, and RO. No one likes Opti parents. Most kids learn to walk post 12 months.Likewise with talking. Knowing the Racing Rules before you can walk and talk is not necessary. Only an Opti parent would hire a professional coach to teach their kids the rules before they start sailing, talking or walking. CaptainAhab, For the record judges at Opti events are generally not present to adjucate part 2 rules. We are there to enforce rule 42. We can serve as witnesses for incidents we observe, however doing so recuses us from being on the same panel. Judges also spend a portion of time (regardless of our role at the instant) discussing rule situations with Opti kids provided it is not part of an active protest. We do this as a service to the sport. There are several Opti kids that know the rules just fine. I have no comment on how they gained that knowledge as I am not a coach. As a result of judging I do spend a fair bit of time talking to them and they have all treated me professionally. Likewise, the parents generally treat judges just fine. I tend to agree with you that the non sailing parents generally do not know the rules, but most of them are willing to learn once you get beyond the "you tossed my kid from a race" vibe. To the OP Speedwagon, I see you have your location listed as the Great Lakes. Feel free to hit me up via IM or email if you need a seminar or other information. A good chunk of the recommendations here are spot on: Go to a seminar. I have been to both Dave Perry's and to North U's, and they both are at least very good (Dave Perry is beyond excellent). Get the Dave Perry book "Racing Rules Explained". Another good starting point. Listen in on protests. Most judges allow this provided the protaginists have no objections and you have no direct knowledge of the situation. Go out and observe on an umpire boat. Part 2 is a routine occurence during a match race. Lastly, once you have the basics down consider taking a Club Judge seminar and start judging. Full disclosure - I am the current Regional Area Judge for US Sailing in Area K which covers most of the Great Lakes. The east side of Michigan and Ohio are covered by Area E, and the RAJ for that area and I have a good relationship with him. If you don't wish to contact me through the IM system here feel free to email me directly. Email address located here as the rep for Area K: http://www.ussailing.org/race-officials/judges/judges-committee-regional-administrative-judges/
  2. You may want to look at the Caribbean 1500 as a starter. Owners are usually looking for some help. This is definitely a low key event. https://www.worldcruising.com/Carib1500/event.aspx
  3. No spin needed, the mark was not a mark of that leg.
  4. I have a feeling I am aware of the WYC in question. Here is the problem (in my eyes) with what is happening: Reciprocity is not an option because one / both clubs in question set a distance requirement on recip. Since the clubs are only separated by a short walk, neither club offers recip to each other by rule. No issue here. PYC hosts several events that attract members and volunteers from other clubs including WYC. Those days are generally considered open days, and any visiting sailor is allowed to enjoy the services of the club. Pay with credit card, sum charge is goods + tax + service. WYC hosts several events that attract members and volunteers from other clubs including PYC. Those days are generally considered open days, and any visiting sailor is allowed to enjoy the services of the club. Pay with credit card to buy tickets which are then used to purchase goods. Price is goods + tax + service + percentage surcharge because you are not a member. Furthermore, this same up-charge is levied against volunteers. WYC also levied this up-charge against people attending seminars (such as US Sailing round tables and Judging seminars), however this has been corrected by WYC. So while not truly a recip thing (where a member of club A gets full purchase privileges at club B without the need to be escorted / invited in by a member of club , it is an imbalance that is perceived to be unfair by other YC's and other YC members who attend WYC events. As a member of PYC, I don't mind paying for goods at WYC at open functions. I do mind paying a surcharge because am both a racer and volunteer for these events. I don't mind to the point of not volunteering, but I do mind to the point where I may decide not to spend my money at the club I am volunteering for. In summary to clarify, if a beer at PYC is $5 and the same beer at WYC is $6, no issue. If the beer at WYC is $6 + surcharge, issue.
  5. 500 ft, unless the area is considered congested (or not considered open water), in which case different distances apply. The catch all is in the event of engine failure, you must be able to glide to shore. It's in FAR91 somewhere, I think in the teens or 20's.
  6. Congrats to Dave Rearick and Matt Scharl for first to finish in leg 2 of the Atlantic Cup
  7. damn. Sunday is the 27th not the 28th as indicated previously. I'm such a shin dick. Unfortunately out of town.
  8. Had a chance to work with him during Snipe Nationals last year. Great guy, very stand up, wanted to do the right thing for the racers. Rest in peace.
  9. FYI this weekend COLYC is hosting the Baker Qualifier for MISSA. The Baker Cup is the High School National Championship for team racing. Racing will be either in Monroe Harbor or in the basin just outside. The racing should be easily visible from either COLYC or CYC Monroe if in the harbor. If in the basin you can see it from COLYC upper decks. Come on out and cheer for the local high school sailors.
  10. One of these days a leg will actually start when I am onshore.
  11. Offshore or Inshore T-Mike? Weekend of Aug. 19-21.
  12. I was at COLYC last night and nothing was happening when I left at 1030pm. Special request - three friends are coming in to do some sailing Verve weekend and are looking for some sort of housing / guest room / couch surfing arrangement, emphasis on cheap. Near Belmont Harbor would be ideal. If anyone could provide a home for these wayward sailors, please contact me either on Facebook or at kaspar.mike at gmail.com. Thanks much in advance.
  13. Without sunglasses I can't see anything if the brightness is greater than a low dense overcast. I loop a lanyard through my life jacket and attach it to one arm of the glasses, works great. Hat I don't bother looping, but I could use the same system on the other side of the life jacket.
  14. Our class rules prohibit a pole longer than the J, so we leave it attached at the mast end with the pole lift on the lowest setting. The nose of the pole gets set in the ready position for the set on the next rounding. On the rare instances I have worked with an oversized pole, we stow it flush on the deck (or as flush as possible) with one end clipped to a shroud. During tacks, I go forward to help keep the jib inside the lifelines, and after work is done I go over the pole near the mast to the first seat on the rail.
  15. Assuming you are just doing bow (no mastwork), neoprene gloves work fine, but they will retain water as part of the "warming process". Go with full fingered if you can do all the required work, otherwise either cut the tips off (not what I recommend) or take the gloves off to do the work, then put them back on when done (what I do). I never got used to the feeling of fingerless gloves, and they won't provide any warmth on your fingers, which need to work. Another option that I learned from my old sailing instructor - use dishwashing gloves with a thin glove layer (silk or stretch knit) underneath. You won't get any style points with the color, but your hands will stay absolutely dry, and the gloves will fit well allowing you to do your job on the bow with full finger coverage. Again, if mastwork is necessary this may not work for you, but for bow it works. This can be a very cheap solution if you can't find neoprene in your area.