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  1. Get bent, let's get rid of the jackstays !

    how do they get hurt.... crew that cant hold on with one hand via a sheet when anything happens, should be part of a test before stepping on board. ( assuming rolled boat not huge wave, that takes 2 hands) Cant f'n stand it when they let go of the rope they were holding on to ( that is secure) and fall over or off the boat looking for next hand hold.
  2. HOLLYWOOD ON THE ROCKS?

    yes very true, there is one book by someone that was there. https://www.amazon.com/CIAs-Greatest-Covert-Operation-Nuclear-Armed/dp/0700619410 great read The Glomar had what became the first commercially available ( there were a couple of one offs prior) Dynamic Positioning system ( Honeywell) used acoustic beacons at 17,000ft, most today only work to 10,000ft Nothing since has come close to the weight and depth of that sub lift.
  3. HOLLYWOOD ON THE ROCKS?

    do you think anyone on this thread knows what vessel the Glomar was?
  4. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    whose greg, isnt it Grant,well he is in the photo?
  5. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    you were in the army with LB?
  6. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    commercial YM of 200ton is the British thing, doesnt exist under IMO regs. They needed to invent it due to the high volume of skippered charters in the UK re liability. at least they have something Commercial just means you did a BOSIET and GMDSS as well as your YM offshore.
  7. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    its the term commercial seaman use when looking at the lights on a 20m+ sailing boat as they know they never follow the rules and they are never enforced. Just like this thread has shown, dont even know there are location regulations for lights.
  8. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    can you read if I posted every countries rules they would all be the same DOH! Should I have said commercial vessels follow the rules re light positioning (which you said doesnt exist) and pleasureboats dont then you would be happy? which is what was was getting at. How many 20m+ yachts have correct lights, very few! ( they all get away with it in your home pond) Maybe WAFi's need the word pleasure boat on the colregs so they follow them?
  9. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    they are Merchant captains, 4 years in college, 6-10 years at sea or do you mean 5 days of BOSIET, maybe FOET and 2 weeks of GMDSS?
  10. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    I said the lights are based on ratio of boat size as measurements exist, I said commercial vessels follow the rules, clearly wafi's dont as the back page of their colregs seems to be always missing annex 1- Positioning and Technical Details of lights and Shapes Commercial vessels follow the rules because class insist, pleasureboats do what they like whether its legal or not nobody cares until you hit a vessel in another country, then they learn. you changed that to say the rules dont mention commercial vessels, which is true.
  11. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    http://www.otenmaritime.com/international-collision-regulations/annexes/annex-i---positioning-and-technical-details-of-lights-and-shapes and for mericans https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2017-title33-vol1/xml/CFR-2017-title33-vol1-part84.xml
  12. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    good point.
  13. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    http://www.otenmaritime.com/international-collision-regulations/annexes/annex-i---positioning-and-technical-details-of-lights-and-shapes still looking for that annex on the IMO site so everyone can know it applies to all port states which is were it filters down to everyone ( assuming the country is a signatory that that convention but without that your vessel wont be accepted in another country like not having national documentation) I went through this on a 80' yacht in the 80's that had to be commercially registered to get documents as the country didnt have pleasure boat registration of any form.
  14. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    says who? ok we wont talk about commercial vessels if you think a 40' yacht is a commercial vessel just like a ship in class
  15. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    I rent out an opti, is it commercial? Under whose jurisdiction is it commercial? Commercial vessel has class rules to follow if its not a toy