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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. This is the most exciting new boat to come out in many years. I hope it lives up the hype.
  2. On the Corsair 37RS I race we added a North square top and it has been great. We do not need to remove battens as the top 2 battens are on a lacing systems that automatically tensions from the pull of the halyard. Works very well. No muss no fuss.
  3. I don't mean to second guess you guys, but I was at a dinner with Dirk Kramers, one of the designers of Oracle's AC 72s. He said they started with manual pitch control on the rudders in practice to learn how to fly without it and it was very difficult. He would have been happy to have had it in the final design if it was allowed. Today Pete Melvin announced the next AC boats will have pitch control. He said flying without is like trying to control an airplane with your weight. I just don't get if nothing is stopping you from adding it, why don't you? I don't see the down side? If you don't have it, how do you plan to control pitch?
  4. If this is a one design it is not constrained by any rules, why set up foils like the AC guys who were not allowed active height controls? If you can wouldn't it be better to add wand controlled flaps or something similar and active controls on the rudder horizontals? Seems like it would make foiling faster, easier and safer. I am sure the AC guys would have if they were allowed! Same goes for the Toro 34 vapor wear on the front page.
  5. Forecast is dropping quickly, as is usually the case. You should still be vigilant, but it seems to be getting more manageable. Lets see what they say in the next update. This is the forecast for BI Sound as of 5pm Wednesday: Thu: E winds 5 to 10 kt...increasing to 10 to 15 kt with gusts up to 25 kt in the afternoon. Seas 3 to 5 ft. Rain. Vsby 1 to 3 nm. Thu Night: E winds 20 to 25 kt with gusts up to 35 kt. Seas 3 to 5 ft. Rain. Vsby 1 to 3 nm. Fri: NE winds 20 to 25 kt...becoming N 15 to 20 kt in the afternoon. Gusts up to 30 kt. Seas 3 to 5 ft. Rain likely. Fri Night: NW winds 5 to 10 kt. Seas 3 to 5 ft.
  6. Greate! I in love! Over a million others agree with now so far!
  7. A central rudder ventilating when pushing hard is definitely a problem, and always will be, but one has to be sure that the cure is not worse than the problem. I've also experienced rudder ventilation many times while pushing hard off the wind, but while it can be scary, I have never had a boat round up or spin out from it. Usually it will keep tracking reasonably straight, or start to head up or down, but always gradually, and steering control is usually restored fairly quickly. But having no control can certainly be a concern. The key is to always try to keep the boat/sails well balanced so boat will still track well without a rudder, and to keep the stern sections in the water for as much as possible. This is one reason why I do not like very wide aft sections on floats, as they will lift the stern more, particularly in quartering waves, which means a greater chance of losing control. Float rudders are definitely the ultimate answer, but they do add more expense, more weight, more drag, and more complexity, and will be there for the 90% of time when they are not required. Weight can be reduced by making them smaller, but then one can end up with not enough rudder in other circumstances, to where control will be lost and the boat will end up in irons. However, float rudders are a valid solution, and hence they are optional on the F-85SR and F-32SR, but they would not be my personal choice. The other alternative is to use a much longer daggerboard style rudder blade, with a more effective section, and the F-85SR will have such a rudder as standard. Advantages include simplicity, less weight, lower cost, and while it can be deep when needed, it can also be lifted up when not, so wetted area is less for the 90% of the time where a deep rudder is not necessary. Next step is to add water ballast to stern, so as to keep main hull stern down when required, and a stern ballast tank is standard on the F-85SR and F-32SR, with float sterns tanks optional. This weight again can be got rid of for the 90% of the time when it is not required. The other tactic is to never fly the main hull much at all, or have it just skimming above the water, so that rudder is always kept in the water. This is the fastest point of sailing anyway, as any higher and one is only adding windage and reducing power, while just touching the water or planing on the top is not much slower, if at all. In theory it should be slower, but in practice I doubt if there is much difference at all. We have the same situation with the daggerboard down versus daggerboard up debate when off the wind - daggerboard up should be faster - has to be! But we have never found any difference when comparing identical boats, on long downwind legs, with board up on one, board down on the other. I have instead lost far more time by forgetting to put board back down at leeward marks, so now the board stays down all the time, period. However, I still find myself lifting it on very long downwind legs in important races, just in case, as it just has to be better - right? But I have never seen an instance where it was. So I feel the same about flying center hulls, looks good, but likely no faster, slower if too high, and it increases capsize risk. Just my opinion. A long board will always be better, and the problem with a vertical board on a tri is that it will have to be behind the mast, and get in the way of the boom when raised, plus make it very difficult to lower mast on a trailerable tri. I'm happy to go either way, as it is a 'six of one, half dozen of the other' situation, and I have vertical boards in my F-41 cat design, mainly because it is better for the interior, a little simpler, and there is no boom above to foul. Ian Farrier Farrier Marine Designs that work... Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my questions so completely. It is a rare opportunity to get to talk so candidly with the designer of boats you admire and sail on.
  8. Float rudders are optional on both F-85SR and F-32SR, which can have squared off float sterns for this purpose (standard on F-85SR). You can in fact see a photo of the first F-32SR rudder float mount in another posting I did today under Seacart 26. But float rudders are a lot of extra cost and complication, and will only be an advantage for around 10% of the time during racing. This makes it hard to justify the extra expense and weight in my opinion, but they are fashionable, and can be fitted if wished...... Hard to steer when folded however. Ian, never thought about the steering when folded part. On the F-Boats I have sailed on we never had the need, but I can see where others would. Also, isn't the 10% of the time float hung rudders are an advantage a very important 10% of the time! In the limited experiance I have had compared to yours, I have had the central rudder ventalate casuing a round up on more than one occation while pushing an F-boat hard. To compare I have also pushed the lightspeed 32, and Stilletto 27 GT catamarans very hard and have never lost control. Am I right in assuming that the rudder being on the the leward cat hull completely in the water, as the rudder on a leward float would, be the differance? Also, how is a long raked dagger board better than a shorter verticle one of the same depth? Not being a wise ass, I am really curious. Thanks
  9. So close! Now just take away the central rudder and add one to each float ala Seacart and make sure the floats have enough volume to lift the main hull and we are there! A Seacart 26 alternative for those who live lives to complex for an "all out" racer. A kick ass boat for the real world.
  10. I thought I briefly saw the 111 sailing around the American Yacht Club Fall Series this weekend. I was very busy trimming main on our boat and only saw it briefly. It had NZ on it's sails. I looked and did not see it on the scratch sheet or the results. Anyone know what was up?