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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.


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  1. Forgot one stat Number of yachts seen on TV race coverage for the past 5 years 1 Wild Oats Nuddy whats the Mod 70 coming to OZ
  2. No the keel snapping off is the safest thing that can happen to a keelboat. most modern keelboats are made of buoyant materials and many even have buoyancy compartments. The most dangerous thing on a modern keelboat is its ballast. Get rid of that and you have a buoyant 'life platform'. I don't understand the capsize phobia. Maybe it comes from starting sailing in keelboats instead of dinghy's. I have been sailing boats that capsize since 1965, starting with VJs which capsize heaps and I learned it is no big deal as long as the boat is positively buoyant. I stopped sailing boats that capsize often as simply part of the game in the 90's but I started sailing larger multihulls in 1981 and on these capsize is something to be avoided if possible but I have never thought of it as a serious safety issue. The biggest problem with my recent capsize of a 30' multihull was that my crew got his phone wet and now it doesn't work. I took the precaution to have my phone in a waterproof case. I have been sailing larger multihulls since 1981 and have logged over 30,000 nautical miles in the ocean. It has taken 32 years of sailing these 'dangerous multihulls' to get to the inevitable capsize. Not a big deal. Not dangerous. Ask Tony Bullimore what is safer. His keel came off and he capsized. He was left with a positively buoyant survival capsule. Had he had a minor collision which caused a leak below the waterline, or a leaking stern gland or rudder post or skin fitting, his keel would have dragged his boat to the bottom. This happens frequently to keelboats and they often disappear without trace. I have seen a keelboat heel to 90 degrees and go to the bottom quicker than one could think to unclip a harness tether. What year was it that Apollo and Bagatelle both ran into Lady Elliot Island? Which one sailed on and finished the race? I won't sail on a keelboat further from land than the distance I can swim. You might say I have a sinking phobia. I don't think so I think it is a healthy fear. I'll take my chances anytime with positive buoyancy over deadly lead (or iron or uranium) ballast. Self righting is a convenience feature not a safety feature. Positively buoyant vessels are infinitely safer than non positively buoyant vessels A good safety feature for ballasted boats would be quick release ballast - explosive keel bolts? Apart from the V70s & possibly a few others what would be the percentage of boats in the S2H that are positively boyant and would float with a big hole in the bottom. A self righting test is not going to confirm the engineering strength of the keel attachment. Whats the safety factor in that situation.
  3. You do understand that the flag officers and officials have had to stand up in the courts and justify their decisions as to the boats they allow to enter their races, on more than one occasion, don't you. When the results of the investigations into the deaths in this race clearly states that all boats in the race shall be self righting from 115 degrees, how would they explain letting multihulls into the race, directly contravening the results of the investigation. I am not sure saying that multi's have been allowed in other races so they thought it was ok would hold much weight if someone on an upside down multi died. We need to keep in mind both sides of the situation before getting too upset at their decisions. Safety is not doubt the reason for the decision. Possibly not the safety of the competitors though. So the officials are quite happy to stand up in court and say we let a self righting boat in the S2H when the keel snaps off and it sinks like a stone when there is no provision for positive buoyancy in monohulls. Then when excluding multihulls say the are unsafe. Go figure.
  4. Batteries perhaps, cabin top. Noticed it is listed as a 43 Supershockwave. Did Crowther call both cat and tri designs Supershockwave
  5. Deflawles or part of anyway
  6. Shotover 2 is for sale and its so certainly not a crowther design. As previously indicated its Adrian's design. Thanks My mistake I thought Shotover 2 was a Crowther
  7. No I haven't asked that question before. Is that the garden path? Shotover 2 is a 40ft Crowther twin masted dropped front mast and won a glady as faza says I sailed on the 60 ft shotover for some time with Harvey now doing dolphin charters in WA Untra Mud Bug is one of Adrians own designs built some time after shotover I believe. Remember the first time he parked it at Mooloolaba and then competed in AMOC and dropped the masts either first or second race. I am just trying to work out if it is shotover 2 or the later mud bug that is for sale.
  8. Hey GB Your are confusing me now because that listing on yacht hub is for a Rodgers and Shotover 2 is a Crowther So which is which The Rodgers is Ultra Mud Bug as I recall, cant remember what Adrian called first up but remember when it was first launched and the sticks came down at the AMOC in Scarborough the year Nuddy one on another legend XL2. Coffin yachtin at its finest. [url=http://qikr.co/zc55p] Nusa Dua Start ofB2G [url=http://qikr.co/sgvbs]
  9. Was just reading the light hearted banter between Doug L and CO in the radio controlled multis thread when searching images I came across this link so I thought I would post it. I think it has been done before but who cares. Don't know how to post movie here but go to link and click on Verbatim. Bit of a nostalgia. Still up for sale? Don't start the shit about buy an ad cause I only wished I did own it. Enjoy http://currentsunshine.com/?p=178
  10. You can actually see the damaged solar panel still there on the pink lady Bit of history on the other two Second PenguinPenguin is a Torres Strait pearling lugger, built in 1907 on Thursday Island. Originally named Mercia, she was registered as a wooden ketch of 15 tons gross, 46.5ft (14.17m) in length and no engine. Owners were Hodels Limited of Thursday Island and she was used for pearl shell fishing. She was requisitioned by the Australian Armed Forces during 1941 to 1942, but her utilization is unknown. Sold when no longer required for service, Mercia returned to Thursday Island. At some time in the 1950's, she was lengthened and fitted with a diesel engine. It is believed that, at this time, she was employed in the collection of trochus shell. The vessel was acquired by the Commonwealth Government and returned to standard pearling vessel rig. Placed with the Duaun Island Council, she was used as the island's service vessel. Apparently, about this time, the name changed from Mercia to Penguin. When it was decided that Penguin should be replaced by a more modern vessel in 1980, Commonwealth Government officers approached the Museum with an offer from the Duaun Island Council that Penguin be made available to the Queensland Maritime Museum, provided it was maintained permanently with its Duaun Island colours and number. After several trips to Thursday Island by Association members, it was assessed that Penguin could not be sailed to Brisbane as the hull was in poor condition, taking on water, with an unreliable engine and the sails in poor condition. A plan to bring her to Brisbane on the John Burke, the vessel servicing the islands, had to be abandoned when a suitable cradle could not be located. Association members then designed and built a suitable cradle, cables and lifting harness, which were transported, at no charge, to Thursday Island on the John Burke. A request to the Minister of Defence resulted in HMAS Tobruk, returning from the Suez area, being made available to bring Penguin to Brisbane. Then began a frantic and frustrating period, preparing Penguin for the arrival of Tobruk. These preparations were not helped by Penguin often sinking at her moorings! With perseverance, Penguin was ready when Tobruk arrived, was lifted aboard and was on her way to Brisbane. Since arriving at the Queensland Maritime Museum in April, 1982, Penguin has been completely rebuilt and restored to her pearling days by members of the Association. To satisfy the wishes of the Duaun Island Council, she is painted in the colours and bears the number A61 and the white star in a black spot symbol of the Duaun Island. It is with pride that the Association is able to display Penguin, resting on the cradle the members built to transport her to Brisbane. The third you will notice has a Canadian maple leaf for a window not photoshopped Happy 11 One of the smallest boats to sail across the Pacific Ocean, Happy II was the second attempt by her owner, Howard Wayne Smith, to solo circumnavigate the world. After departing from the USA east coast, through the Panama Canal and across the Pacific, the first boat was wrecked on a reef off Noumea, New Caledonia. Undeterred, Smith built Happy II and continued on his circumnavigation, eventually making landfall near Ballina, New South Wales. However, Smith had arrived without a visa. Also, Australian Customs imposed a $2 000 bond on the boat to cover import duties. He had no money to pay the bond, but was given a tourist visa for 3 to 6 months, which allowed him to stay in Australia. Smith breached conditions of his visa, for which he faced the courts and was deported. Still unable to raise the bond on Happy II, he would have to forfeit her. Smith approached the Queensland Maritime Museum with a view to the Museum buying the boat so he could pay the bond to Customs. The Museum declined, so Smith offered to donate it to the Museum. However, Customs would only release the boat when they received payment for the bond. The Museum declined again. Customs allowed Smith to return to Canada and retained the boat. Just before Expo 88, Customs offered to give Happy II, which was now deteriorating in their store, to the Museum. The Association accepted the offer and Happy II became the property of the Museum. Restored by Museum volunteers, she is displayed in the grounds of the Museum. Specifications Length (Overall) 13ft 10" (4.22m) Length (Waterline) 13ft 8" (4.17m) Beam 6ft 3" (1.91m) Draft 3ft 7" (1.09m) Displacement 2,240lbs (1,016kg) Sail Area 180sq ft (16.72sq m) Headroom 4ft 10.5" (1.49m)
  11. A few on display in our local area
  12. A friend of mine sailed on Rotonguooooo when it was first built. He said it was a handstander. Perhaps too fine an entry point with the blob on top of the hull slowing things up close to the point of no return. Still they were relatively faster than most multis in Aus at the time. You could check the Coastal Cliasic results to see if 888 stacks up to the Grainger or maybe someone across the ditch will know.
  13. The Boss & Windcheater were pretty good boats in their day and didnt mind a bit of weather.