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  1. Pre-Preg Carbon Scraps

    It's my understanding that the stuff will kick at room temp eventually but it takes several days. It needs to be cured in an autoclave for most manufacturing purposes.
  2. Pre-Preg Carbon Scraps

    These are some good thoughts and I'm sure there is an opportunity here for someone to try this, but I think you'd still run into the issue of too much excess material. Building all sorts of high-tech specialty parts is great, but unless you are producing something that people will buy in bulk, I'm not sure how you'd use all of the resource that is available, thus my friends problem. I'm sure he'd give the stuff away to anyone that wants it, but finding the application that would ultimately take ALL of the scrap every day is the real trick.
  3. Pre-Preg Carbon Scraps

    I came up with that idea too, but I'm not sure there is enough of a market for large quantities of carbon plate. Is there? You'd have enough of this stuff to build a house.
  4. Pre-Preg Carbon Scraps

    A friend of mine operates a manufacturing facility constructing large carbon fiber components using pre-preg from 6” rolls. The manufacturing process is efficient, but they end up with a lot of pre-preg carbon scraps left over, and I mean a LOT of scraps. Approximately a dumpster full almost every day. The scraps are a lot of 6” squares and triangles with some larger pieces. They hate to see all of the scraps go to waste, but are having a really hard time figuring out what to do with them. Some is chopped up and used as carbon filler in the manufacturing process. Obviously they can (and do) give some of it away to specialty builders who utilize the material for small projects, but they can’t give away even a fraction of what they produce locally. Being pre-preg it can’t sit out for very long either or be shipped economically. We were discussing this problem but can’t figure out any good uses for this essentially free high-quality material in the quantities they produce. So I’m tossing this idea out to you guys, if you had essentially an unlimited supply of small carbon pre-preg scraps what could you do with it? Remember that you’d need to utilize a dumpster full of the stuff almost every day and it can’t sit around for long. Ideas?
  5. Gybing foils in Moths?

    Interesting idea. I can see the benefits. You'd need to change the main sheet setup so you could overtrim the sail a lot. Would be fun to try though.
  6. Lead rings in 5o5 vang cascade?

    Agreed. These things work great for high load/low movement applications. The total line movement on the first two cascades of a vang on a dinghy is pretty small. Switch to bearing blocks for later cascades.
  7. Very cool, but IMHO they need to put some suspension on the front float to get more speed out of the boat. It would probably give a much more controllable and comfortable ride too.
  8. ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    When I first started building my moth in 2008, I had never seen a moth before except in pictures and videos. When I launched the boat the first time I was guessing how to rig some of the parts and had just a vague hope that many of the systems I built would actually work. The only thing I took with me on my first sail was the information that I’d gleaned from the internet and the encouragement from the online moth community and SA. I was foiling on my first day (until some parts broke) and attempted a foiling gibe on my second day. When people ask me “is that hard?” I say it’s like riding a bike. If you try to learn how to ride a bike as an adult, it will be tricky and you will fall but you’ll figure it out after a while. Once you feel the balance of the boat it really isn’t difficult (except foiling tacks, those are feaking impossible). Once you fly there is no going back.
  9. ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    What Phil sail. If your boom is at the bottom of the sail you get all foot tension and no leech tension. If you had a crazy wishbone boom that attached to the top of the mast you'd get all leech tension and no foot tension. Put it in the middle and you get a bit of both. Changing the amount of outhaul could pull both the foot and the leech, which may work fairly well.
  10. ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    Ya, I have to agree with that. Dropping some of the strings and the making a less complicated rig it a good idea, but I doubt the boat will be any easier to sail than a Moth. It's a cool boat though, I'd buy one.
  11. What Could Go Wrong?

    Makes me wonder if these sailboat designers have ever actually been on a sailboat.
  12. Artemis?

    Ya, this is getting pretty ridiculous. The boats are on display tomorrow with racing starting Sunday and all we have from AR is 'early July.' If these guys want the world to take them seriously they need to get on it.
  13. Artemis?

    Seriously guys, the AC 45s are one-design cats that don't meet the letter or the spirit of the Americas cup. Why not just give up and sail J24s or Optimists for the America's Cup? Making significant changes like that at this late date is impossible. If you delay the cup this event is ruined and the AC will never recover. Game over.
  14. Artemis?

    Sad news. Do we know if it capsized and then broke or did it break up first then roll over?
  15. That's an easy one - Flot Sam I Am!