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  1. Solar panel system, where to buy?

    I haven't checked prices since we started a war on imported solar... but I have been happy with Aliexpress solar panels. So long as you ensure you are getting SunPower cells, these panels can be bought for $1.00/watt or less. I have had great success going this route and saved at least 3x over Solbian, which uses the same cells. I've measured my output, and I am getting what I should be getting. I'm using a custom Genasun charge controller that is made to suit my Firefly oasis house bank. While I like the Genasun controller, I sort of wish I got a Victron charge controller, as it comes with a nice control interface, which the Genasun lacks. For that I installed a monitoring system that works well enough but isn't nearly as pretty as the victron panel.
  2. New Hinckley 53

    Well, hopefully they'll do a better job with this boat on the build side of things than they did with the 50. Whether you like the aesthetics or not, Hinckley screwed the pooch with the two 50's that they built. Good on them for getting back on the horse I suppose. Boat building is a tough proposition, especially sailboats!
  3. Show your boat sailing thread

    Bears more than a passing resemblance to Cy Hamlin's Amphicon and controversy Ketch which would have preceded it. Of course the Amphibicon was really the first trailerable pocket cruiser and to this day represents a great little boat for cruising around a coast like Maine's. Sadly Cy passed away this last summer; I think he was 99 or 100. One of the greats.
  4. opti's (sic) rule

    I thought the FP post really brought me back to my own opti days when the class was just starting to gain traction in the late 80's and early 90's. Back then the boats were actually different enough from one manufacturer that you could see and feel the difference when you sailed the different boats. Blades actually were different from one manufacturer to another, and when you got fancy blades from a company that specialized in them... they were actually nicer than stock blades. Now all of this being said, I agree with the comments above that this is generally a distraction in many ways, and not exactly healthy. IODA has standardized the rules significantly since I was sailing the boats, and the fact is that the rules are almost completely prescriptive. This means that any marketing by one company or another claiming that their boats have some kind of technical difference or edge, or any perceived technical difference or edge is complete BS. Sadly, the intended result of these rule changes (to make things more level and cost effective) has largely backfired. The boats are just as expensive as they were before and there are the same "high end" suppliers out there hawking products for an insane markup to gullible optiparents who have been convinced by their private Argentinian coach that to use anything else would put their precious child at a serious disadvantage. I know Steve has already weighed in here on his thoughts about Optis, and I'll relate a story he told me a while back that speaks to what I've already written. I forget the exact details, but basically at one point Steve was curious about the stiffness of the famously expensive black and gold Opti spars vs the cheapest extrusions that he could source as a builder. The results of his testing showed that the cheapest anodized alloy (6061?) that he could get actually outperformed the super expensive black and gold spars that were marketed to parents as a must have accessory to Opti success. I just checked the price of Optimax spars at Sturgis boatworks and they are over $700! Sorry, but this is simply ridiculous, and doesn't really help in the battle to stop sailing from dying out completely. To all the people that are convinced that kids HAVE TO SAIL OPTIS in order to attain high level sailing skills, I say that that is hogwash, and simply ignores basic logic and the evidence at hand. I consider myself lucky that I have competed in sailing for more than 2/3ds of my life at this point. The more you race and the better you get and the further you travel and the better you do, you begin to get a pretty darn good feel for who the good sailors are all over the country. A rather large number of these sailors HAVE NEVER SAILED AN OPTIMIST.... and somehow these guys and girls are winning international events! Jim C also raised a point that I have been making to parents for years now about fleet sizes. The success of the Optimist as a class has fostered this notion that it is really important that kids race in races like the Opti New Englands (which my dad founded btw) which can have 300+ boats. Now this is great fun when you are a kid going to these large events, mostly because it's a real scene both on and off the water. But to say that this experience is somehow representative of the competitive sailing that these kids will experience throughout their lives is insane. The skills required to manage a 100+ boat fleet vs sailing in a 20 boat fleet are a lot different. I know in my personal case, I became a top 5 Opti sailor when I figured out how to get a consistently good start at the favored end of the line. I could make my boat go reasonably well, but when you have that much leverage on such a large line where there are 4 rows of boats along its entire length, the start becomes far more important overall than it is on a smaller line. Also, just because I figured out how to start in such large chaotic lines didn't really speak to me actually having any real depth of skills when it came to starting tactics. It was much more about managing large groups of boats than it was about knowing how to execute a dip start or a port approach or a pin end start etc. I know this is rambling a bit, but I have pretty strong feelings about sailing and boats as I think all of us here do. While I can look back at my life of sailing so far and certainly point to my Opti days as important to my development as a lifelong competitive sailor, I can also say that Optis are not what cemented my love of sailing and the water, and not where I became a technically good sailor, despite being internationally successful in the class. I sailed for three years in Dyer Dhows, Flying Terns, Widgeons, Lasers and Rhodes 19's before I ever jumped into an opti. My brother and I were lucky enough to have a Boston Whaler that we commuted across Salem Sound to go sailing in. We were not only very privileged to have that boat, but we were blessed with parents that allowed us to be kids and find trouble at such a young age (I was 11 when we started plying the waters unassisted in our whaler). This, and walking around the local boat yards and getting rides on bigger more exotic looking boats, and water skiing and outrunning the harbormaster was what really cemented my overriding love of messing about in boats. I couldn't care less if my kids become awesome racers or not (although it would be a real thrill to compete with them), but it will be a real disappointment if they can't see how magical just going for a sail can be.
  5. The weights I'm seeing there are pretty good actually. Given that the parts are probably a combination of wet layup with bagging and infusion, those numbers look good to me. The Volvo boats are built using Prepreg, which is easier to dial in a much finer tolerance between parts.
  6. What type of boat is this?

    Pretty good Dave! That being said, gouv or your dad would actually know! Looks nice actually, although I'm sure as per your impression that it weighs far more than it should and its sail plan and rigging leave a lot to be desired.
  7. Barn Find Cal 40

    Hah... I sailed Balance from Plymouth to Islesboro a bunch of years ago when a friend of a friend bought her (for about $10k if I remember). We exited plymouth, popped the chute and blasted straight through the night and arrived in Dark harbor early the next morning. We didn't douse the chute until we could see the dock we were going to. Fantastic ride with our top speed that night pegged at 12 kts. Back then the boat had a tiller, so they obviously changed that at the Landing school the year after. I think that's a good mod if you're doing a lot of cruising, as it frees up the cockpit.
  8. Dubarry Ultimate Boots Beware !

    I have had the same exact issue with 3 separate pairs of Dubarrys. Currently I use $80 guy cotten fishing boots that I buy for frostbiting. They have liners and work great. I get 3 years out of a pair before they develop a fixable hole where the rubber creases from walking motion on the sides. Heavier, definitely not as stylish, but they work just as well, cost a lot less, and their failure mode is completely understandable. It's a little bit irritating that Dubarry continues to produce these soles when it's well documented that they basically disintegrate after a period of time. That's not acceptable for $400+ boots.
  9. Underwater Max Prop Lubrication

    I grease my prop every season. It takes all of a few minutes to do and gives me piece of mind.
  10. Coolboats to admire

    I saw Lucy at the ERR this summer and later in Bucks harbor. I️ was completely smitten. It’s quite hard to make a boat that short look so good, and Lucy is just about perfect.
  11. Rotary cutters

    These are the best: https://www.ebay.com/p/Pink-Power-Pp361li-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Electric-Scissors-for-Crafts-Fabric-A/2186737428?iid=222626339433 not necessarily that particular pair, but I’ve cut miles of glass and carbon with $10 electric scissors. Cuts glass like butter.
  12. Lead crystal batteries?

    Moon.... Price of decent low profile, semi flexible solar is at or under $1 a watt. Yes you can go with Solbian or some other fancy brand name, but in the end, the good cells are Sunpower cells. The panel you see in the picture cost $1 watt, and it works beautifully. It is unobtrusive, sits out of the way and is only held in place with two zip ties as it turns out. I think people overthink where to put these things and make their boats look super ugly. That single 130 watt panel handles most of my daily running loads while cruising and always keeps me topped off at 100% SOC. Mounted where it is, I get very good exposure with no shading for most of the day sailing or not. When I'm anchored or moored, the traveller is set all the way to the port side. Putting a panel on your dodger, as many do, almost guarantees shading most of the time. I don't think you can make the argument that that installation is a "solar farm." At $130 + $90 for a custom genasun solar charge controller and $25 for extra cable and fittings, that's a worthwhile investment. In my case, since I have Firefly batteries (5 for my house bank and one for starting), the solar panel guarantees me at least 1000 more cycles, as I rarely go below 80% SOC.
  13. What's the Latest on Firefly Oasis Batteries?

    I replaced my 3 8d lifelines with 5 firefly Oasis batteries two years ago, and I love them. Now of course, I put a 130 watt solar panel on as well, and I never really discharged these batteries beyond 70% SOC for the most part, and they were regularly topped off. Over last winter parasitic loads depleted the bank to about 20% SOC, and I had no issues getting back to 100%. With the setup I have, these batteries should last almost indefinitely, as 3000 or so cycles (at the rate that I regularly discharge them) is an awful lot of cycles. As Moonduster points out, I cant' give you anything more than to say that I know I'm getting 100% SOC. I have a traditional EMON from Ample power, as well as a Balmar smartguage. Voltage at 100% resting is about 12.84V for these batteries. Hopefully they get supply issues sorted. I'm looking to get a few more batteries for other boats that I have.
  14. Show your boat sailing thread

    For many years my boat was moored right in Maplejuice cove with pretty much the exact view depicted in Christina's World. That's one of the great little harbors in Maine than most folks just pass by on their way down east.
  15. Spirit-33' s&s

    The 110 has a far greater claim to the first "sportboat" than Spirit does.