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  1. I came across the same blog https://sailcraftblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/16/the-real-story-of-amaryllis-and-the-first-racing-catamarans/ which says essentially the same thing as Jay. Perhaps some additions to the Wikipedia entry could be made to reflect this viewpoint.
  2. Some more color on this subject can be found at http://www.runningtideyachts.com/multihull/Amaryllis.html Excerpts: After the race was over, the captain of the Clara S. protested against the Amaryllis, on the ground that she is neither a yacht nor a boat; but it was the general opinion that the protest came too late, and should have been made before the start. Had it been, there is little doubt that the judges would have barred her out. If she is ruled out, the prize comes to the Puck and Luck. Source: Anon. (R. F. Coffin?). "A Yachting Wonder. Sudden Development of the Fastest Craft in the World. The Reveille, Susie B., Amaryllis and Victoria Win the Second Centennial Regatta." The World, June 24, 1876, p. 2. A REVOLUTIONARY YACHT. The defeated yachtsmen in yesterday's race are entitled to sincere commiseration. It is a well-established fact among Americans of a yachting turn of mind, that the American yacht embodies in her model all the fairy tales of science and the long results of time. It is supposed to be almost the perfect model for speed under canvas, and it is supposed that any improvement on it will be merely an extension of it. Yet yesterday all the yachts of this approved model were beaten ridiculously by a vessel of outlandish model and rig. She is literally 'outlandish,' for according to the description of her the nearest approach to her afloat is the famous 'flying proa' of the Ladrone Islands, of the speed of which wonderful stories are told. Nobody protested against entering her for the race yesterday, for the reason probably that everybody expected to beat her, but everybody seems to have objected to being beaten by her. Next time we advise our yachtsmen to ponder the words of MILTON, And think twice ere they venture to "Sport with Amaryllis in the shade." In form the entry seems to have been perfectly fair, since the yachts were taxed only according to length, and were permitted as much extension in all other directions as their owners chose. But in fact, it is clearly unfair to race boats of radically different models, and built for entirely different purposes, against each other. The model of the Amaryllis evidently would not do for a sea going vessel, and nothing in the way of the practical 'improvement of naval architecture ' which yachts and yacht clubs are supposed to promote, can come out of a flying proa. But on the other hand, none of the boats engaged in the race with her are supposed to be good for much except to engage in such races. The tendency of yacht-racing is everywhere to-produce 'racing machines;' in ENGLAND by narrowing, deepening and ballasting yachts out of all reason, and here by making broad and shallow 'skimming-dishes.' In either case the result is not a good type of sea-going vessel. So the owners of racing-machines have really no reason to complain that somebody should invent a racing-machine to beat them. This the inventor of the Amaryllis has done. It behooves the owners of the large schooners, however, to take counsel together lest somebody should build an Amaryllis a hundred feet long and convert their crafts into useless lumber. It is a matter quite as important as keeping the America's Cup, and may demand quite as ingenious and elaborate devices as were put in force against Mr. ASHBURY. Source: Anon. (Editorial). "A Revolutionary Yacht." The World, June 24, 1876, p. 4.
  3. This monohull - multihull controversy is pretty old. From Wikipedia: Amaryllis was a catamaran sailboat designed by Nathanael Greene Herreshoff and launched in 1876. It was notable for its significant victory in the 1876 New York Centennial Regatta, which resulted in multihull sailing vessels being banned from organized sailing competitions.[1] Ironically, Herreshoff was later to become a celebrated monohull designer.[1] Amaryllis was succeeded by a second catamaran vessel, Tarantella.[1] It is said that prejudice against multihulls resulting from Amarayllis' superior performance was only overcome by Victor Tchetchet much later in 1946.
  4. Those images of Jost are heartbreaking.
  5. Yes. Need to have an arrangement where clubs own them or you get the boat of the person who crashed yours.
  6. Remove the mast and add another level.
  7. Swapping boats, not keels, would solve the problem. That's what happens in one design collegiate racing.
  8. Yep. The bridgedeck slams even in the Chesapeake chop. But I think the concept is valid and, with improvements, should make for a well-performing and comfortable catamaran. Keep the 14 foot beam so it fits in a standard slip. Keep the extendable foils for upwind sailing and shallow draft. Keep the retractable drive leg(s) but improve the mechanics. Raise the bridgedeck or eliminate it with tramps. Other ideas?
  9. Wow. Does it do as well to starboard? What's the righting moment?
  10. Here's a surprising success. Tony Smith and son sail their Gemini 105 MC across the North Atlantic through gales. It's also a good choice for the Chesapeake, IMHO, where it was born. Shallow draft, fits in a standard 14 foot slip, good performance off the wind and acceptable upwind with centerboards. The new models suck upwind with fixed stub keels. Someone should revisit the original concept and improve it.
  11. The energy doesn't leak out of the earth immediately. It's just transformed from warm water locally to warm air or warm debris somewhere else. The cold trail is just because energy was removed from that local spot by the hurricane engine. To leak out of the earth requires radiation or atmospheric loss which does occur but not necessarily due to hurricanes.
  12. This question was lost in the shitstorm but the answer might get this thread back on the science track. I'm not a meteorologist so I welcome corrections but here's what I think. Energy in a hurricane comes mostly from warm surface water. The water vapor is sucked into the vortex and gets dissipated as rain up high because forming raindrops releases the heat of condensation. This keeps the hurricane going. Cooler water and air up high is left in its wake like a heat engine. Some of the energy is dissipated as friction with the air and water. When it gets over land, much more friction from lifting, accelerating, and banging stuff together dissipates more energy and the lack of warm water reduces the energy available to keep the hurricane alive. This is like a car slowing down when you take your foot off the accelerator because friction from tires and axles (which get hot) dissipate the energy of the car's motion. So, the way I see it, the warm water energy is used to keep the hurricane going and also gets dissipated as friction. The hurricane 'engine' may 'detune' due to wind shear and other conditions. The balance between engine output and friction determines whether the hurricane grows or wanes much like whether a car speeds up or slows down.
  13. Lifting keel looks like a great choice for SW FL. Would also be great in the Chesapeake.
  14. I'm not a meteorologist but I think most of the energy comes from warm surface water. It gets dissipated through wind friction with air, land and sea, I believe. The hurricane leaves behind an area of cooler water as it moves. Someone with more specific knowledge should chime in.