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  1. Us people? Feeling salty are we? I'm looking forward to a new, possibly, full foiling Verdier boat and how the technology will play out in the next generation VG fleet. Adds a new dimension to the OD game that may (I say may) spread the fleet out a bit. What do you mean about them being dogs with problems? Slow? Build quality? Persico and Verdier have a pretty good track record recently wouldn't you say?
  2. “We don’t think there is any compromise to making a stand-alone Volvo Ocean Race boat comply with the IMOCA 60 rules. Although in Volvo mode, we will have another keel, we will have different rudders, foils, we will have a different rig on it,” said Bice. The layout on a short hand deck is much different then fully crewed. For one, the dog house is well aft. Besides swapping keels I wonder how they plan to adapt the boat between the two races? Interesting stuff.
  3. Exclusive first look at the next Volvo Ocean Race boat design http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/news/9893_Exclusive-first-look-at-the-next-Volvo-Ocean-Race-boat-design.html “We’ve created the Volvo Ocean Race Design Team as a collaboration, getting the best input from everywhere,” said Bice. “It’s going to be a very cool boat; imagine coming into the finish, in a harbour in 20 knots of breeze and you are going to see this thing fully airborne, foiling, at 35 to 40 knots.” Fully airborne. Pretty ambitious. They must have some confidence in the T Foil rudders.
  4. Joshua one-design yacht to be inaugurated in 2022 Golden Globe Race http://www.sail-world.com/USA/Joshua-one-design-yacht-to-be-inaugurated-in-2022-Golden-Globe-Race/156611 Now the 2022 Golden Globe Race will provide the litmus test. A maximum fleet of 10 Joshua Golden Globe one-design yachts will make up a Class 2 start on Sunday August 21, 2022 approximately three weeks after the smaller Suhaili class yachts. The exact date will be determined from the average time that the first six yachts take to complete the 2018 Golden Globe Race. “The leading yachts in next year’s race are predicted to better Suhaili’s 313 day record by 40 – 50 days, so it is important to set a realistic rather than historic time gap between the two classes.” Race founder Don McIntyre explains. The strict One-design rules also stipulate the number of sails that can be carried during the race, and to make it a completely level playing field, sails for all Joshua class yachts will be supplied by one official loft. And to further the spirit of Bernard Moitessier, competitors can use only replicas of Joshua’s original wind vane self steering system. There will be no room onboard for commercial steering systems.
  5. Which ones failed? I really don't remember. I think HH was saying using battens would be farcical. In any event it was a new approach (not really new) and I'm sure, as always, much was learned. Didn't they first play with this idea on Commanche?
  6. Eat the captain.
  7. "Yes there are folks who really care about top speed, avg speed and dream of the days when VOR boats were unique and broke apart in the ocean - but frankly, sponsors don't, and neither do most fans - who would pay more attention if the race is close and competitive. There will always be push/pull re whether OD should be more extreme or more reliable/safe, but I'd rather err on the side of the boat being so tough a team can ground it and it'll hold together for a night while they try to get off the boat in the dark." I suppose I was disagreeing with the above second paragraph and previous posts from others that seem to think that speed and pushing the design element will only lead to structural failures. The VO70's had their issues. So did the VO65's. Do you recall Iker epoxying battens on the hull of Mapfre forward of the bulkhead? I trust that by the time it comes to pulling the trigger on the new boats, a sufficient balance will be struck between structural integrity, weight and speed. If not, I would imagine the idea to be abandoned.
  8. Meh. I don't agree at all. There seems to be some correlation garnered between Open and structural failures. Yes. There were and will be failures in large part due to experimentation and pushing the design envelope. If the IMOCA and Mini class didn't do it, who would? What innovation would we have? As since the first RTW race, the previous races failures become standard equipment in the following races. You take for granted all the components the VO boats have borrowed from IMOCA/Mini innovations. Which were the first offshore monos to have wide flat asses? Canting keels? Struts? Twin rudders? Rotating masts? Pulling the mast aft and setting up double headsails (Comanche is a big IMOCA) and doing away with the spinnaker. I'd even go as far to say that the development in the robustness of the auto pilots came out of these classes as well. There isn't one design element in the VO65 that is original or innovative. So why not adopt foils or DSS? That being said I don't think that the VO (unlike the Vendee) is a testing ground for innovation but I do think structural integrity is integral to the race. The VO may be slower to adopt newer technology and design innovation but it should never quit doing so. I also think there should be at least some wiggle room with choices in gear to make the damn thing more interesting. Gear choices are as interesting and as pivotal as navigational and crew choices. Bring the "boat" back into the discussion.
  9. Correct. And I'll add to it that the foils used in the last VG were used for the first time and the first time in a mono RTW and was, relatively speaking, experimental given the amount of time necessary for R&D. But God bless the French for giving it a go. There was plenty to be gleaned from the last VG and there will be much more foil development (and the structural integrity to support them) to be had in the next two years. Canting keels took a while to break in as well.
  10. I didn't deflect. This is ocean racing. Shit WILL happen. Experience and skill play a big part but so does luck. So, if skill and experience are in short supply and luck run's out (Vestas) the team is SOL and out of the race. Mast, keel, foil, auto pilot, sails. If they can't get to a port and ship the boat to the yard and make repairs in time for the next LEG they are SOL. The nanny system can only go so far.
  11. There is always the chance for any boat to be damaged beyond immediate repair. You saw that in the last VG. Keel ram damage. Rudder damage etc. HB lost a foil and continued the race. One of the aspects VOR and the current VG that I enjoy is the ability of the team/skipper to affect repairs at sea or anchored inshore and continue the race. Seamanship.
  12. Crickets, Bucc. I think SA's Ignore List just hit an all time high.
  13. Agree. Weight/reliability issue will also be a big challenge.
  14. Continued ... Of course adopting a boat that isn’t onedesign seems to have not been on the table, which in our opinion is a shame. Traditionally the Volvo Ocean Race and Whitbread before it were always thought to be the pinnacle of the sport and their custom boats, built to box rules or before that IOR, added to this. They also provided another talking point for journalists and race followers and helped differentiate teams, adding to their own identity. A criticism often levelled at the present-day Volvo Ocean Race is that in going one-design it no longer feels like the grand prix event we grew up with. Absolutely! But it is disappointing given that we have this brand-new technology – foiling – that right now needs to flourish and develop. We should be aiming for newgeneration offshore monohulls that will foil fully downwind in ever lighter conditions and are even fast enough to foil upwind. If human ingenuity is allowed to express itself then this will happen but it will do so much more slowly with so many classes/races now one-design.