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    Coolboats to admire

    Pretty sure Trevor B is right.
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    Coolboats to admire

    Guys, any idea what this woody is?
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    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    You’re confusing the virtues of OD and Open again. Benefits to sailor and spectator. I don’t know why you persist? OD provides the close competition. But pros sure aren’t interested in racing the big races on anything decades old. Just about every skipper and other crew, from every team, from Walker to Beking has openly voiced frustration over the sailing characteristics of the 65. Not boat/gear heads. People that know the difference between a machine and a slug. Its a wonder there’s any innovation at all. For the grunts that put in the sea miles, of course it’s about the boat. Spectacular boats for spectators as well. Like in most cutting edge venues being played out around the globe. Foils galore. Thus the move to IMOCA which was previously a move to the Super 60. If it really wasn’t about the boat I’m sure they could find a less expensive way for teams to get around the planet. 20 - 30 million Euros seems like a lot to spend on something that doesn’t really matter.
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    A big project!

    Saw that. Book and book tour to follow? Does he sleep?
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    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    The Ocean Race: how sailors and organizers prepare for it It is in October 2021 that will be given in Alicante the kick-off of The Ocean Race, the round the world crewed with stops, disputed for the first time on IMOCA foils. Behind the scenes, just over two and a half years from the start, organizers and sailors are already actively preparing for this new major deadline on the IMOCA calendar. The point with Johan Salén, co-President of The Ocean Race, and with three IMOCA skippers strongly tempted by the adventure ... The event is both near and far. In October 2021, eight months after the arrival of the first competitors of the Vendée Globe, another world tour in IMOCA will start from Alicante (Spain), this time crewed: The Ocean Race (former Volvo Ocean Race). The event should include seven to nine stages on a course that will be unveiled next summer. The Ocean Race will include two classes: the IMOCA foils (launched after 2010 and led by five people + 1 mediaman) for the overall title, and the monotypes VO65 for a trophy rewarding the best young. If it is still too early to give a precise sports platform, the organizers would like to gather 10 to 15 IMOCA at the start of this inaugural edition. Very professional international projects " We are talking to everyone and the potential teams are divided into three big groups, " says Johan Salén, Co-President of The Ocean Race. "We are in contact with current IMOCA teams, mostly French, but also with teams from the latest Volvo and others completely new. The interested teams come from France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Mexico, USA, Brazil, Sweden, Netherlands, New Zealand, Australia, China, South Africa ... And we have other important markets to activate. The aim is to bring together international and highly professional projects, well organized and structured, with active sponsors. " For Johan Salén, there is no doubt that the rapprochement between the former Volvo Ocean Race and the IMOCA class is a bargain. " Working with a class that has a proven track record helps our sport be less fragmented. This allows more spin-offs with the same platform, "he says. What do sailors already involved in the IMOCA class think? We interviewed three of them. Boris Herrmann: "A complementary adventure of the Vendée Globe" Boris Herrmann, skipper of Malizia 2, will become in 2020 the first German to participate in the Vendée Globe. A first, but Boris already sees further. " The Ocean Race interests me a lot, " he says. " The idea is to give a follow-up to our project, on the same boat (a VPLP-Verdier 2015 plan, ex Edmond de Rothschild). This crewed adventure is very complementary to that of the Vendée Globe. In my opinion, there are four big dreams for sailors: the Olympic Games, the America's Cup, the Volvo Ocean Race and the Vendée Globe. Now, two of these four events are played on the same support. It's very inspiring. " Already supported by the Yacht Club of Monaco, Boris Herrmann is confident about the possibility of attracting German companies to supplement his budget in view of The Ocean Race. " The crewed world tour speaks to many Germans. In 2001-2002, a German crew won the Volvo Ocean Race, Illbruck Challenge. There was a huge show on arrival in Kiel, it was fabulous. Since no major project has emerged in Germany, we have a great opportunity to revive one. If he manages to raise the necessary sums, Boris imagines leaving with an eclectic crew: " The idea is not to make a 100% German project. There are currently in my team as many nationalities as people involved! I like this diversity. " Louis Burton: "I'm waiting for the course to really position myself" Skipper Bureau Valley 2, another VPLP-Verdier plan launched in 2015, Louis Burton is also very interested in participating in The Ocean Race. " I am 100% in favor of this rapprochement. It's great that the IMOCA class is at the center of the offshore race. It is a chance for the life of our boats and the diversification of our projects. We can now imagine physically bringing around the planet the people we work with, "he says. " The test is all the more interesting as my partner begins to develop internationally. The only downside is that we do not know the course yet. It is therefore difficult to advance in a very concrete way as long as the stops are not known. What will be the necessary budget? Will the countries concerned interest the partners? I'm waiting for the course to really position myself. We already have the sponsor, the boat, the team. Nevertheless, to do well we must make the decision this summer. At the end of the Vendée Globe, a major building site will be needed to adapt the boat and make it navigable and liveable for six people. " If he decides to make the leap, Louis will leave with an experienced co-skipper, " to form a duo pillar ." Very attached to the training aspect, he would like to complete the crew with the young people from the six years of "Selections Hope", created in 2013 in Saint-Malo, in order to launch each year a young talent in the universe offshore racing. Paul Meilhat: "More global communication with a budget not so much higher" Winner of the Route du Rhum 2018, currently looking for partners, Paul Meilhat aims to launch in the coming months the construction of an IMOCA to participate in the Vendée Globe 2020, The Ocean Race 2021 and the Route du Rhum 2022. " I have always liked to sail in crew, " he recalls. " Basically, I was almost more interested in the Volvo Ocean Race than in the Vendée Globe! The fact that the crewed world tour is now competing in IMOCA opens me even more doors. I feel completely legitimate to carry a project. It is a medium that I know, that I master. " From an economic point of view, Paul Meilhat is convinced of the merits of linking the world tours solo and crew: " By participating in The Ocean Race, we integrate an international dimension and a more global communication with a budget not so much higher than taking part only in the Vendée Globe. We can thus propose a very complete program ". Paul recently traveled to Alicante to meet the organizers and confirm his pre-registration. He is also in discussion with potential partners. The timing is urgent enough to have a new IMOCA, a condition sine qua non to bring a project up to its ambitions. " I am convinced that with the same boat, you can perform on both exercises. In my crew, I will bring together sailors with very complete profiles, from Figaro and IMOCA. " Source: IMOCA.org
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    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    Tip & Shaft #17] BOUWE BEKKING: "THE OCEAN RACE, THERE ARE TWO CHOICES, THE IMOCA IS TOUGH TO SELL" Dutch skipper Bouwe Bekking, now 55 years old, is a round the world racing legend. The 2017-18 Volvo Ocean Race on which he finished third, skippering Brunel, was Bekking’s eighth Volvo or Whitbread Race. Brunel was a late project, one week before the start the full squad had not yet sailed together. But they became the most consistent team over the second half of the race, sailing 1,2,1,1 over legs seven to ten which gave them a shot of winning overall. The passion is undimmed Bekking is ready for more. He tells Tip & Shaft ‘In my head I would go again tomorrow’ but it sounds like his pragmatic preference would be to go with a youth team on the 65 rather than an IMOCA. Look back at your Volvo Ocean Race, does the result still irk you? The end result that we had is very soured. But the reality is we were just not good enough at the beginning. We are realistic in that we started very late and that cost us dearly at the end. But that is looking back now, afterwards. All in all I was proud of how we made progress. And in the end I think we were probably one of the fastest boats out there. It helps if you start out sailing fast because it then looks like your tactics are getting better, you make less mistakes and when you do you can more or less cover it up with boatspeed.But I am a very black and white guy,though, and when you are so close to winning it and then lose out it hurts. But, you know the last leg we were quite a bit behind and we got back again, but in the end you have to push it away and go off to the next regatta. So you would like to go again and do The Ocean Race? I am always keen. Nothing changes with me. I love to be on the ocean and racing with a team. It is a fantastic race. Not many people have had it like me. I just love to be out there. Even if I am sailing a little local event I like to be out early, to spend time on the water. In that sense I would love to do another race. Physically I am still strong enough, but it is bloody hard to get the funding. In my head I could start tomorrow. The funding is the hard part. If we don’t really know what the boat is like and what the route really is. And so it is very hard to go to sponsors and put things in concrete. But right now a company will be saying ‘we want to go here, we want to go here.’ They want certainty. The hardest part is seeing the company and then hoping that they are very flexible. We know roughly what the route will be like, but it is easier to go to a company and be sure. You have done two back to back Volvo Races with Brunel, could you see yourselves teaming up for a third round the world campaign? I think Brunel were very happy and they are keen again. But they have to know how it all looks. When you have a company listed on the stock market you have to be really sure. And last time they decided they wanted to do and we were late. So there is no reason you would not team up with them again? Not at all. I was really happy with them and there is a lot of personal contact there over the year. In both campaigns we did a fantastic job for them internally with all the employees, but we have to all see how it stacks up. The big question is whether you would go on the IMOCA or the VO65. It is a lot more money for an IMOCA. The boats are expensive in themselves and then you can build three sets of foils, two extra ones and so that is a lot of extra money. I think you are looking at a budget of €24-25m and that is a lot of money. Searching for money just now, are you looking outside of your native Holland? We have always looked overseas. Right now of course there is another fish in the pond looking, the Dutch America’s Cup challenge which is a complete different thing. I would not sponsor them if I was a company. It is only a very tiny programme and for two terms. Long term it would be good but it is very far from home and the racing period is short. It is a lot of money for a short exposure and the question also comes if you are knocked out in the first round. Was that a good investment or not? If people are going to sponsor the America’s Cup then they need to be in for two events. You are better spending money on the round the world race than the America’s Cup. What do you think of the Dutch AC programme? I think they are very late. It is a great initiative but it is late. Time is against them. And if the protocol is followed then they might be disqualified in October when the boats have to sail for the first time, so it is a great initiative but is it realistic? I just hope they don’t get their fingers burned and don’t burn the money of sponsors. Like I say it is always harder if you are late. Even if we have a lot of good technology and skills in the Netherlands you still have to put the team together and make it work. It is very noble but they are way too late. You must be proud of the role you have played in putting Dutch sailing on the global map? I think Dutch sailing is doing fantastically. There is really good communication with the Olympic sailors and they are the future, especially on a thing like the America’s Cup you need to have the technology and the experience behind you and in this case it needs to be a two term programme. You need to get the right people integrated into the team and to make it work. So what is your dream project on the Ocean Race, how would you like to do it? That is the big question. The rules are tough. On the IMOCA you are five people, one female. On the 65 you are ten people, seven have to be under 30 and I think a couple under 26. It is a completely different game. On the IMOCA you go with people who have done the race before, have the experience but on the 65 you are looking at young blood. Even with Brunel we had six new young guys under 30. The advantage of the 65 is if you can have the time you can make the whole team better quicker. Bouwe it sounds like the he IMOCA does not appeal so much then? It appeals, yes it does. But going to a sponsor, and they are not dumb, the first thing they say is ‘why would we pay double or more to go around on an IMOCA. That is the first question. And then the next big question is ‘how big a chance do we have of winning?’ On the 65 we can be honest and say ‘we have a very good chance of winning because we all have the same boat.’ The other thing with the IMOCA is you have to be realistic about the chances of breakages. And of course there is the risk you might have a slow design. It is fine if you have a fast boat but it is a bloody long way on a design which may not be as good. If you are very honest with the company with two choices the IMOCA is a tough one to sell. The 65 is just very nice. It is down to the crew. And if you get beaten it is down to you. The IMOCA is a fantastic boat and it will be fun, it is flying after all, but if you have a slow design you might be crying all the way around the world, or if you have a very fast boat you are smiling. You have done eight races, what did you learn from the last race which you take forwards? I learned from the guys who did the America’s Cup is all the way on detail, they were so on it. That is where you make big jumps with the one design. Young guys from a different era have a different view and you just think ‘shit they have some good ideas on the table’ you need to take it on and you go faster. I think the whole culture worked so well. You have to have everybody’s thoughts on the table from Day 1. That takes time, younger guys sit back a bit. But you have to get their input and learn from it. That took us some time. And this year looks to be as busy as ever. You only took a little time off after the race and were back out there again. What drives you to keep doing so much? I love everything. I am sailing everything this year again from 30 feet to 120 feet and I love it all. I love the Swan 50 sailing in one design, I have an 85 footer and a couple of big boats. Sailing a lot of different boats is nice. When I am doing something I do it always putting in 100 per cent effort in, mainly for the owners who invest a lot of money, and I must do it quite well because I seem to get invited back! But I love the lifestyle, I love working with people and teams and getting them better, to get things in place so they work better. What is the essence of looking after an owner well? He or she has fun and they can see what is making a difference. The teamwork on their boat, they can see how it works. And very often they can take that to their own company. Often I get that feedback from owners saying ‘if I could get this culture into my company then we would be even better’ and I get a lot of pleasure from that. You have been pivotal to the success of the J Class Lionheart programme. It seems like the impetus has been lost from the class? It is one of these things. There is a new Class Secretary in place who is a really good guy, the official announcement has not been made, that was part of the problem last year, and where the issues were coming before with the rating formula, even if the racing for very close. The essential problem is the rule was not adapted to what some boats were sailing with. But I think we now have found a really good technical person to run that side and if that gets sorted we can get it back down to just sailing and all the owners can have fun. I think there are enough owners but they want to sail where the racing is fair and well organised. It will be clear and open and the fun will come back.
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    Is this the Figaro III?

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    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    The 70’s still at it. How old are they now? http://caribbean600.rorc.org/News/wizard-wins-the-rorc-caribbean-600-trophy.html
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    Is this the Figaro III?

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    Is this the Figaro III?

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    Coolboats to admire

    Si or no? https://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/76809
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    New imoca boats

    Tip and Shaft ran the same article. I like Ruyant. He proved to have the stuff in the last VG.
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    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    Ocean Race. The next world tour with crew: IMOCA and VO 65? On Tuesday, December 11, the new organizers of the Ocean Race 2021 (formerly Volvo Ocean Race) presented what the new test could look like, now open not only to VO 65 but also to IMOCA monohulls. But we will have to wait to find out more ... The beautiful linen is there, Tuesday evening, Porte de Versailles, on the occasion of one of the most awaited presentations of this Nautic. The too small room is crowded, the latecomers are repressed. There are already enough people standing in the back ... In addition to the top of the world sailing and the last race around the world in crew, including the winner Charles Caudrelier and his navigator Pascal Bidégorry, all the contenders for the next Vendée Globe came or almost, still chiselled by the sun of the Antilles. Their rough hands also bear the stigmata of the Route du Rhum. Wooden tongue exercise It must also be said that IMOCA organized its General Assembly on Tuesday morning. We are here to hear about the world tour, which on the invitation card is called "fully crewed around the world race"; Volvo, title sponsor for twenty years, having decided to retire. We expect to learn a lot of things ... but we remain on our hunger at the end of a remarkably mastered exercise of language, of which the Anglo-Saxons are kings. To whet our appetite, we still have right to the eloquent figures of the last Volvo Ocean Race 2017-2018 won in a crazy final by the French-Chinese boat Dongfeng . It must be said that these statistics cause and have something to impress: 2.5 million visitors, 94,000 VIP guests, 4,356 accredited journalists, 3,900 hours of televisions including 194 hours in "live", or 74 million euros return on investment for seven boats in the race: notice to sponsors! We then confirmed the common desire to open the IMOCA class very (too) Franco-French to abroad, but also to coexist for the first time the fastest monohulls in the world (the 60 feet IMOCA) with the VO 65 monotypes will compete here for their third edition, led by young crews. In 2021, the Ocean Race (the final name will be unveiled in 2019) will always leave Alicante. The organizers expect a plateau of 6 to 7 VO 65 and between 10 and 15 IMOCA. If in front the agreement is more than cordial and constructive, we feel pretty quickly that everything is not settled so far. We note that no stage is announced (the step cities are still in negotiation), and there are differences between the "Frenchies" who would like fewer stages and fewer teams, when the Anglo-Saxons would prefer the opposite - more stages, more teams. Fewer steps, fewer teams The floor is given to Samantha Davies, the most French of the British. This is one of the very few, if not the only one, to have played both the Vendée Globe and the Volvo Ocean Race. "So I understand these two worlds," she says before adding that it is "also favorable to fewer stages and fewer teams." So these are two worlds ... We talk a lot about sustainable development, we dream of a world tour without fossil energy ... but we understand pretty quickly that lack of energy autonomy soft controlled to date, it's not for now. But hey, the nerve of war is first to find the budget. For a Vendée Globe solo in 2020, followed by the Ocean Race in 2021 crewed, it could turn around 10 or 15 million euros for a new boat. It is nice to hear the architects preaching the good word, it will not be simple and probably very expensive to change the configuration of IMOCA in such a short time, to accommodate a crew of 6 (plus a reporter embarked?), according to figures that circulate but have not been announced or confirmed. The architect Juan Kouyoumdjian claims that one can consider winning and the Vendée Globe and the Ocean Race with the same boat. To have ! Finally, we learn via a "slide" that a tour of Europe is planned in 2019 ... in fact a tour of the promotional Europe VO 65, to show the radiation of the event and attract sponsors. No doubt, the specifications are downright enticing, the ambitious and exciting program. The skippers and the Landerneau of the offshore race are in the starting blocks. The host whistles the end of the presentation. We have learned nothing or almost nothing! Find all the information on the Nautic de Paris. https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-france.fr/course-au-large/volvo-ocean-race/ocean-race-le-prochain-tour-du-monde-en-equipage-imoca-et-vo-65-ad614f88-fd6d-11e8-a7a1-fa5b3929c8bc
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    A big project!

    Geez. Hope I didn't jinx him. BTW I think the parrot did it. Was pissed off about all the exploitation in the videos without due compensation and bit the end off.
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    Coolboats to admire

    Sail, you know I love those cold molded Kiwi boats. Any more?
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    The 2018 Golden Globe Race

    Jean Socrates is down there as well.
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    Craigslist - Not mocking

    Me too. The opening to that article was misleading. Wood version would have been interesting.