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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. The return of the Prodigal Son? Oh yes, after an absence of 12 years, Cape Town to Melbourne is back. Like Leg 6, Leg 3 is part of the route from the original Whitbread Round the World Race, and as such it carries the heavy weight of history with it – and double points. So, what’s the big deal? It’s 6,500 nm, and none of them will be easy. The fleet will start on 10 December, and head south from Cape Town to the Cape of Good Hope, before turning left and heading east across the Southern Ocean. They will go deep into the storms and waves of the Westerly Storm Track before arcing back to the north to cross the Great Australian Bight, enter the Bass Strait and so into Melbourne. This is more about brawn than brains? Back in the day, yes – when the boats rolled along at 8-10 knots they were sitting ducks for the weather systems that would roll up behind and then overtake them. But now the boats are fast enough to just about keep pace with the storm systems and a lot of smart strategy is required to position the boat correctly. And no Climate Zones this time? Apart from the start and finish there is really only one – the aforementioned Westerly Storm Trackwhere some serious weather, storms and depressions swirl west-to-east around the globe. While this section in the Southern Ocean will dominate the leg, the start and finish can also be tricky... Tell us about the pitfalls on this one? The race south: Cape Town is far enough north to be under the influence of the St Helena High (a stable, semi-static area of Subtropical High Pressurein the South Atlantic) and so the first section – south down the Cape Peninsula to the Cape of Good Hope and beyond – can often be in light winds. It will be tense, because the race is on to get south and into the Westerly Storm Track to pick up an eastbound low pressure system to ride towards Australia. In a nutshell: due south should get the boat into stronger breeze faster, but more distance will be travelled as the course to Melbourne is actually surprisingly close to due east. Can enough extra wind (and hence speed) be found to make up for the extra distance sailed, compared to a boat that just tries to shorten the distance? A lot will depend on the timing of the approach of the next inbound low pressure system. The precise speed of the boat as it heads south or east on the different possible routes must be carefully measured against the predicted movement of the low pressure. This one will be keeping the navigators busy. The Southern Ocean: Once they get hooked up with a low pressure system in the Westerly Storm Track the teams will be working hard to stay with it. The strategic problem is to position the boat so that they don’t get too much wind and break something, or not enough so that they slow up and get left behind by the weather system... and anyone still hanging onto it. This section will take them deep into the big breeze and big waves of the legendary Roaring Forties. The final approach: The finish in Melbourne is back up north and right on the edge of where the Storm Track meets its northern neighbour, the Subtropical High Pressure Zone. So broadly speaking there are two scenarios for the final approach. One: a low pressure system can come far enough north to sweep through the Bight, and create fast downwind surfing conditions all the way to Bass Strait. This is going to make it wet and wild all the way to the finish and they won’t feel like they’ve left the Southern Ocean until they get in the shelter of Cape Otway. Two: The alternative is that the great desert that is central Australia gets on a roll and really heats up. The vast mass of hot air rising off the Nullarbor Plains creates what’s called a heat low. That low pressure is then matched by a high pressure situated out in the Great Australian Bight – which is strong enough to force all the Southern Ocean low pressure systems south of the course. This is scenario two and it could make the finish of this leg just about as tactically interesting as the Doldrums. I’m guessing there are some epic tales from past legs? The 2005-06 leg from Cape Town to Melbourne probably had one of the highest ever rates of attrition. Two boats finished by alternate modes of transport (container ship and truck). Two more had to pitstop in Western Australia, leaving just two boats to race cleanly to the line. This leg also humbled Paul Cayard’s (eventual) winning crew in 1997-98. After a spectacular win in the first leg, they eventually limped across the Australian finish line in fifth place after a series of damaging, violent and high speed crashes...
  2. Sydney to Hobart 2017

    Whatever happened to a picture says a thousand words?
  3. Which team can dig the deepest?
  4. +/- 2.8 nm dead straight.
  5. Says it all. Leg 3, Cape Town to Melbourne, day 08, Southern Ocean sailing on board Vestas 11th Hour. Photo by Sam Greenfield/Volvo Ocean Race. 17 December, 2017.
  6. Content is thin at the moment.
  7. My Tracker wasn't showing the gybe earlier on. Race Experts‏Verified account @RaceExperts 26m26 minutes ago More 1900UTC Pos Report puts Mapfre in the lead as both DFRT and MAPF are on the southerly gybe with MAPF further east but DFRT is still the furthest south. Compression in the fleet as more wind to the west. @DongfengRacing @teamAkzoNobel @Vestas11thHour @brunelsailing #WatchLog
  8. Looks like some compression. Is Mapfre pouncing? Did they wear Dongfeng down?
  9. Gitana Maxi 17

    Couldn't find a bloody thread...
  10. There are numerous sound bites from Team Brunel. More to bog your day down with
  11. Was he referring to other types of bureaucracy that might prevent a haul out?
  12. BOUWE BLOG 25 Sunshine and a gentle 15-20 knots of breeze I said it many times before, how quickly do you forget the "bad" days. Very, very fast, today was totally opposite from the few days, bright sunshine and a gentle 15-20 knots of breeze. There was one downside, we had to gybe a fair bit, so no regular sleep for the off watch. But today nobody minded this, as well a good chance to catch up on stories. But let me first talk about our patient Annie, still buck bound, but moving over to the opposite side by herself after a gybe, to bring her weight in the correct position. She is still very painful, but let's hope it gets better. not much our "doctors" can do about it, besides giving her pain relievers. Third Dutchie onboard Kyle was in a great mood, while standing at the helm without a shirt on just to proof he is a tough Aussie, he all of sudden blurred out then he knew why he was so tough: he said his grandma was is a 100 % cloggy, who immigrated to Aussie and following the race closely! So we have a third Dutchie onboard:-) Spike One person came to our minds when we saw a huge Albatross flying by and checking us out: the late Peter Dorien. With Capey and myself "Spike" raced on Movistar in the Volvo ocean race. He died many, years ago in a freak accident, slipping in the bathroom. He was, first of all, a family man, but then also his dedication for the sport and in particular, his crazy stories about the Sydney to Hobart race, plus his great sense of humor makes it that we never forget Spike. Cheers, BB
  13. 6 hours ago From navigator Joan Vila onboard MAPFRE: As we skirt the amended ice exclusion zone north of the Kerguelen, a change of weather pattern has happened,, and strong WSW winds have moderated under 20KT while shifting NW. We have been in visual sight of Dongfeng Race Team from the end of our night and all this morning, with both throwing gybes along the ice limit line, as winds are weak further to the N. From early this morning we have so far done 17 gybes in less than 11 hour. Currently weather is sunny, and conditions have warmed up with both sea surface and air temperatures increasing. A nice break that allowed us to dry out stuff, before conditions get windier again tomorrow and deck gets splashed by water spray again. All is good on board and morale is high, especially now we are back in touch with the leader. JV
  14. Forgiveness if this was posted. 4 hours ago Dongfeng Race Team OBR Martin Keruzore on the ordeal of constant gybing in the deep south: “Guys we are gybing!” The sentence, the punishment even, of this string of words, is something that everyone onboard has been dreading for some time. Day or night, this short phrase which is yelled with both force and conviction, coloured by a French accent, has had a very bad habit of coming out of Pascal’s mouth every two hours for the past 48 hours or so. I’ll leave you a bit of time to digest the numbers on that but yes, we’ve racked up a shed load of gybes. So why inflict that on us? There must be a reason looking at our navigator biting his nails the whole time, his eyes riveted to his screen trying to decipher a type of multi-coloured chart, split in two by a little horizontal line. This ridiculous line is the source of all our suffering, though, as it symbolises the ice gate: an exclusion zone put in place by the Race Committee to prevent us from sailing any further south at the risk of smacking into a block of ice. Why would you want to head south you’re going to ask me, down into the cold, grey depths? No, it’s not because we’re missing Brittany in December, but rather because to the south there is more breeze so you can go faster. As a result, we are gybing every two hours to stay as close to the imaginary line as we can so we retain as much wind as possible and thus make landfall in the land of the kangaroos as quickly as possible and before Christmas I hope. This long and tiresome gybing procedure leads to a multitude of tasks orchestrated by Charles and Pascal and then carried out by the whole crew. Seven sailors on deck busy themselves with preparing for the manoeuvre and shifting the unused sails from one side of the boat to the other, or stacking as we call it. So what of the two remaining crewmen? Well they stay in the warm down below, but they’ve got plenty to keep them occupied too. The 10 bags of food, personal gear and other toolboxes don’t move around on their own like in the famous Mary Poppins film, that would be too much to hope for. There are various techniques for stacking the gear down below. Initially, everything’s calm, ordered and nice and tidy; expert Tetris players our sailors. After a dozen or so manoeuvres of this style, you can sense the fatigue and the nerves setting in, especially if you’re fast asleep or downing a good Chicken Masala when the call comes up. That’s when the lightest bags develop wings and literally reach the other side of the boat without touching the ground. The initial game of Tetris is then transformed into a muddle of all kinds of bags, and you end up with a bag of food for day seven in the bilges with the bag of spare electronics. This entire tortuous ‘pre-gybe’ stacking procedure can take up to a few dozen minutes according to the sea state and the wind conditions, but one thing for sure is that it’s never my idea of fun and it’s far from over. Right, I’ll leave you to it as I can see Pascal’s beginning to warm up in the adjacent office so I’ll start packing away my things just in case... "Guys we are gybing!" Have a nice evening, Martin
  15. Often times a repair can be stronger than the original. Esco's repair to Dongfeng's mast turned out to be the strongest point of the whole track in analysis. But ... I wonder if Akzo will avoid gybing as much to spare the mast of the extra strain?
  16. Great video from the soldiers on Mapfre. Impressive how they always remain in good spirits. http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/raw/3930.html
  17. These pages are acting whacky. Posts that were missing this morning are showing up now.
  18. But Shang, the expertise of the experts is nothing compared to in-depth knowledge the shore teams and crew have when doing boat on boat testing and closely analyzing raw footage. If experts can spot something, it's almost a surety that the teams spotted something much sooner. Execution is a whole other story. Edit: Sorry Experts. You know what I mean. These guys are in the middle of it.
  19. If ever a time came where mistakes were starting to be made and the crew were in jeopardy from shear exhaustion, I think a skipper would have to explore all options. Edit: Unti then, I don't think any team is gong to flinch and back off.