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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Fun in Florida in January or Februay?

    Nice looking boat, and a lot better than anything I could build with my two hands, but not sure you're going to find too many races for that. What type of place to you want to stay? Camping? Hotel?
  2. Rule 17 Question

    Your friend argues that, Well, not really. The PC will listen to testimony from both sides, including witnesses, and determine for themselves what the leeward boat's proper course was at the time. To answer your first question, in the protest room I would ask the leeward boat why they came up when they established the overlap. Assuming they lie (a breach of rule 2) and say something like "because the wind got light and I had to head up to maintain VMG" you might point out how convenient it happened right when the overlap started. Obviously witnesses might help. Hopefully the PC has some racing experience and can see through BS. For the second question: The leeward boat came up because their spin collapsed. Why did the spin collapse? Because of the windward boat. So the leeward boat would not have sailed that higher course in the absence of the other boat. I agree with the PC. BTW, remember that proper course is defined only by the other boats referred to in the rule using the term. For example L & W are running down wind and L established an overlap to leeward and from astern of W. Down the course are several boats coming up wind and L decides that he should head up to avoid a potential wind shadow from those boats. This is ok, because it's L's proper course. L would have headed up to avoid the wind shadow of the other boats even if W wasn't there.
  3. GPS

    Garmin 76. When mine crapped out a few years ago I bought a Garmin 78 which is the current version of Garmin's hand-held. The problem with the Garmin 78 is that I couldn't get it to follow a course properly. No matter what I tried it would automatically jump to the closest way-point. I even talked to Garmin about it and they didn't seem to understand why that was a problem. If Garmin has updated the 78's software so this isn't an issue any more, please let me know. My spare 76 gave up the ghost and now I'm down to one unit only.
  4. Marklayers get too much shit from coaches

    I coached in the US for almost 10-years and I never saw or heard of anything like that happen. A few terse words or conversation; but nothing like that. Many coaches are young and consider themselves rock stars who think they know all and are infallible. They don't have the wisdom to understand that our sport depends on volunteers. As pointed out above, the RRS provide a means to deal with this. Another option is for the club to ban the offender from their property. If I was an club Officer and something like this happened, I certainly would.
  5. a question for those in the know about sail trim

    What do you mean by "...end boom sheeting for the genoa"? I've never seen a genoa with a boom. What is a "fare sail"?
  6. Force required by rigid vang

    the boom and sail weigh 50-kg which is evenly distributed. To determine the force in the vang we assume the 50-kg boom and sail weight acts in the middle of the boom, i.e. 2.5-m from the mast. So.... 50-kg*2.5-m = Fy*1-m ---> Fy=125-kg = vertical force exerted by the vang. (summing the moments about the gooseneck.) Sin 30=125-kg/F ---> F= 250-kg = force exerted by the vang along the vang.
  7. Force required by rigid vang

  8. Age to start sailing

    Sailing is one of the few sports you can compete in when you're old. It's a true lifetime sport.
  9. phrf scoring question

    Do the competitors in question have an idea weather or not the first finishing boat had made his time on the second finisher? Usually when I finish I have a pretty good idea if the boats around me beat me corrected or not. If the two boats agree, even if they don't know the exact time, you can ask them to estimate and use that. I assume you asked the person recording the finishes and they aren't able to shed any light?
  10. Another rules question

    They gave him redress for a race in which he was OCS? Or did they give him redress for another race he couldn't sail because of the damage cased by the incident in question?
  11. Start Rules Question with Video

    It looks to me that at 4:56 boat 526 starts to head down, possibly to stay clear of 33242 who is on S.T. Then, a split second later, 33242 begins her gybe. By 5:00 boat 33242 is on port gybe at which point the boats become overlapped. Up to this point, boat 526 is keeping clear of 33242. Thereafter the boats are overlapped; 33242 is windward and must must keep clear of 526. Since they are approaching a starting mark, 33242 is not entitled to mark room. Furthermore, 526 is not limited by rule 15 since she acquired ROW due to the actions of 33242. I would penalize 33242. At a hearing 33242 might argue that she gybed only to avoid a collision with 526 but that would be a hard sell since continuing on starboard would mean sailing away from the mark.
  12. what is it?

    MORC cheater boat?
  13. What longer video are you referring to? The 8+ minute video I saw (I thought that was the long video) starts with the Martin on stbd gybe, heading south, away from the harbor entrance - they gybed only once, heading back towards the harbor on port, without their situation properly sorted, and the rest is history. The longer video is the 8-minute video (i think anyway.) Look at the beginning again. First he's on starboard like you say, then he gybes onto port at which time the jib appears to be wrapped around the forestay. Then at the 1:02-minute mark they start to gybe back to port, presumably to clear the jib off the forestay, but there's a break in the video so you don't actually see them complete that gybe. Next you see them back on starboard with a clear, but luffing, jib.
  14. Help me I can't decide which boat is right

    I love me some laser 28. However, they are a bit much for a husband, wife, and three children to race. You'll need some help. Easy to day-sail though. Indestructible.
  15. Looking at the longer video it appears that they gybed to starboard, had the jib wrapped around the forestay, then gybed back to port to un-wrap it. There’s a break in the video but by the 1-minute mark they are back on starboard with the jib unwrapped but luffing because either the sheet is tangled or was not tied. It’s hard to be sure but at that point (the 1-minute mark of the video) I think they could have made it if the crew had hand sheeted the jib as hard as they could until they got past the breakwater. Instead the skipper seems to be focused on steering the boat into the wind while the crew seems to be focused on untangling/tying the sheet. Sometimes we get tunnel vision working on the task immediately in front of us and loose track of the big picture.