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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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pominfrance

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  1. Not that wierd, he was done for cheating. Served his time, now on a big boat reflecting his skills. He was done for following orders. yup, which included cheating.
  2. Not that wierd, he was done for cheating. Served his time, now on a big boat reflecting his skills.
  3. Whowhie, lots of work. So they retired, took the sails down and did all this work drifting in 40kts of wind, fixed it, pulled the sail back up un-retired and carried on and never turned the engine on? Im a cyncial old crank but something here smells fishy. No offense, but you're a fucking idiot. Go fuck yourself if you think they cheated. I'm pretty sure they have to run the engine to cant the keel. I don't think that's done at the pedestals. I am certainly idiotic on many occasions, I'm not suggesting they did anything wrong, I was just musing over my coffee as a poster above's dad was. I think Ken is an amazing sailor in an incredible boat. I was just watching the video (brilliant coverage by SailorGirl) when he explains what they did after they got damage. He mentioned drifiting this way... waved his hand. Just made me think of how that would go down on a practical level.
  4. Whowhie, lots of work. So they retired, took the sails down and did all this work drifting in 40kts of wind, fixed it, pulled the sail back up un-retired and carried on and never turned the engine on? Im a cyncial old crank but something here smells fishy.
  5. I for one believe you. The subject matter fits but not the style. Another strong argument is that I don't believe PH would make the dumb shutting down threads accusation. Thanks guys. So Trickypig...you still want that bet, or are you going to admit you were wrong about me? PH, you are so discredited by your words and actions on this site, its probably better that you are busy doing other things. Carry on
  6. It starts with a brown paper bag full of cash followed by some hookers for Carlo and Bryan. Our lira okay? No, but more hookers will normally suffice. Willis lives half the year in Thailand or is it Malaysia.. My guess is he's all set for that sort of activity. As for the talk of cash and bribes... Athletics chief was bribed to cover up systematic doping in exchange for 1mE. The chances of sailing being worth anything like that is laughable. You really need power or money to get involved in corruption. On the big stage ISAF and sailing have neither
  7. Sheesh. This time the release is by "Amanda" from Marketing and Sponsorship. I'm getting really cynical about these 'reports'--especially when the other 60s with issues seem so open. The only mention of the initial problem is written off as "whilst travelling south west the yacht incurred some structural damage." After the openess of Mark Turner's team management of Dongfeng in the VOR, HB's team management is really a letdown. I've been interested in AT's story for a few years, but maybe pominfrance wins this one. Now I feel bad, i'm sure they are all very nice. Just something about it all....
  8. Al, since everybody here (well most of 'em :-) have been clambering over each other to get onto their soap boxes, would be good to hear, blow by blow, what really went down from the moment they knew things were going tits up. Prob have to go back a long way!
  9. A few comments on this: (and I do appreciate that ATR are having hard times and SA needs to make a buck) "Fans around the World" This is the sort of high minded thinking that makes ATR believe they are some sort of amazing sporting organisation. Minor sports teams that have never won anything except the race to the top of a unusually unbroken mast are unlikely to have "fans around the world" Unforecasted Bomb? Really? in this day and age of routing and modeling, there are unforcasted bombs around that are this severe? Englighten me if you actually know about meteorology. Sounds fishy to me.This was reported by COncise 2 as well, so whether you believe it or not it happened. all Alex could tell his technical crew was 'I'm going to get my boat."- Is this why he was first of the two of them to get off, so he could be first back- seems pretty odd? 1. This is second hand so you should be able to imagine how it may be emebllished slightly. 2. Read the idea that Guillermo stay on the boat due to being able to speak Spanish, makes more sense than your tinfoil hat theory. Blaming VPLP etc i what I would expect from a crappy site. SA usually digs a little deeper, and apart from being clearly friendly to the PRs at ATR there are some serious questions to be answered as to the continued failure after so many years and such a significant budget. Whilst Alex has had failures in the past that can clearly be laid at his feet, this time he has gone down a similar route to the leading teams in IMOCA. Clean does not lay the blame at VPLP/Verdiers feet but states they are going to have a difficult time. You clearly have issues with Alex looking at your previous posts, as do others, but in this case you seem wide of the mark whilst trying to grind out your own agenda. Fair enough. :-) But I can't be bothered to look but I don't think Ive ever posted about Alex until this week. I guess this was the last straw.
  10. A few comments on this: (and I do appreciate that ATR are having hard times and SA needs to make a buck) "Fans around the World" This is the sort of high minded thinking that makes ATR believe they are some sort of amazing sporting organisation. Minor sports teams that have never won anything except the race to the top of a unusually unbroken mast are unlikely to have "fans around the world" Unforecasted Bomb? Really? in this day and age of routing and modeling, there are unforcasted bombs around that are this severe? Englighten me if you actually know about meteorology. Sounds fishy to me. all Alex could tell his technical crew was 'I'm going to get my boat."- Is this why he was first of the two of them to get off, so he could be first back- seems pretty odd? Blaming VPLP etc i what I would expect from a crappy site. SA usually digs a little deeper, and apart from being clearly friendly to the PRs at ATR there are some serious questions to be answered as to the continued failure after so many years and such a significant budget. You wouldn't have an axe to grind by chance, would you? Im just grumpy today. But I always have some sort of angst :-) I don't specifically have an ax to grind but I just think they have got such an easy ride over the last 15 years. Much of that time I have enjoyed what they have done, mast walk and keel walk were inspired. I think if they had received more honest analysis/criticism throughout their campaign, it might be a bit better than the disaster that it is. Is that unreasonable? I just want to be the SimonN of the TJV forum!
  11. A few comments on this: (and I do appreciate that ATR are having hard times and SA needs to make a buck) "Fans around the World" This is the sort of high minded thinking that makes ATR believe they are some sort of amazing sporting organisation. Minor sports teams that have never won anything except the race to the top of a unusually unbroken mast are unlikely to have "fans around the world" Unforecasted Bomb? Really? in this day and age of routing and modeling, there are unforcasted bombs around that are this severe? Englighten me if you actually know about meteorology. Sounds fishy to me. all Alex could tell his technical crew was 'I'm going to get my boat."- Is this why he was first of the two of them to get off, so he could be first back- seems pretty odd? Blaming VPLP etc i what I would expect from a crappy site. SA usually digs a little deeper, and apart from being clearly friendly to the PRs at ATR there are some serious questions to be answered as to the continued failure after so many years and such a significant budget.
  12. Funny that you say that as that's what I was thinking as well. I was once on a boat that we had to abandon late at night and the skipper was the first one off and I waited till all the crew were safe before I left the boat and I was rescued. It's called Duty of care and good seamanship. It's very poor form I think for the skipper/ captain to be rescued first and leave the crew. What ever happened to the captan / skipper going down with the ship or being the last one rescued ? I hope that it was the way it was edited that made it look this way that Alex was off first. Pulpit That's just dumb. There are two people onboard. Both perfectly capable. Do you really think they gave 1 millisecond of thought to "you go first. No you go first." This isn't 18th century military. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. There are plenty of interesting details here. Who jumped first isn't one of them. Don't you think BMW and Pulpit that in such an Helivac run by Spanish coast-guards it would be clever to have the spanish-speaking member of the crew stay on the boat with the hand-held VHF (hard to hear with the helo noise), while the non spanish-speaking skipper goes first ? That is the best possible answer for the pretty lame act, historically and nowadays, to the essential rule that the skipper leaves a sinking ship last. Maybe he wanted to be first off so he could be first back to recover the boat.. :-)
  13. Here's the report http://www.alexthomsonracing.com/update/ Still no detail on what the initial and second repair involved, though the mast loss is a result of the rogue wave, apparently. and now I scroll to their actual excuse...! Does not pass the sniff test to me...
  14. Hugo-not even close to being-The Boss I'd say Hugo Boss management have something to answer for... this was just the latest in a long list of total failure. Never have I seen a better funded, more hyped disaster over a full 15 years. The boats were always late, badly conceived and risky. The skipper always seemed underwhelming and most definitely under prepared. I have never seen a boat practicing so infrequently, its like the team was scared of the water. Looks like they will finally win one race. The race to the bottom. Thankfully this spectacular campaign of failure hasn't led to any fatalities. Are you serious ? 4 of the 5 boats newer boats are out with problems. The only link between all of them is the designer. They all had top notch skippers with plenty of experience. I guess 3rd using an older boat in the last vendee globe counts for nothing. They also recognized they hadn't had enough time on the boat and chose chose a safer route before any of the shit hit the fan. Yeah Im serious, all that money and 15 years of excuses and they keep on cocking it up
  15. What about all the other boats they have fucked up?