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  1. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    I doubt that $200k a year is a strict outlay of cash. It may be a gross amount that may include charter boats for the worlds. The boats are obviously not just given to the class, but sold at a discount following the regatta. The actual cost to LP would be depreciated cost of a boat that was sailed for a couple of weeks plus shipping costs. Again, all supposition on my part.
  2. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    For the Sunfish, the class is the only thing really standing in their way for worldwide control of the brand. There were many more parties involved with the Laser, and they did not have worldwide exclusive use of the brand. I think that is part of the reason for the hardball tactics with the class.
  3. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    I can see the lifestyle brand, and that would explain the hardcore tactics with the name. In addition to Hobie, I think Harley-Davidson would be a good analogy. I personally would prefer Laser as a lifestyle brand, but Sunfish is more well-known outside the sailing community. They are marketing Sunfish paddle boards, though I'm not sure they are available yet. They did run the Laser name into the ground in the UK, at least for sailing, with all the different Laser x000 boats. http://www.worldofsunfish.com/
  4. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    I'd say this may be an even bigger issue than the name "Sunfish". From what I can tell, the biggest difference between the Laser and the Sunfish in terms of SMOD is lack of a construction manual. I think I read that World Sailing had been pushing for one. A construction manual would give ISCA and WS a level of control on what is a "Sunfish" that they do not currently have. Add in supply shortages from the authorized builder and ready availability of knock-off parts, and you can see how it blows up.
  5. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Hope he wasn't expecting a civil discussion.
  6. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Might be a little known fact, but I'm the world champion for the International Laser Union AND the Kirby Torch Class Association for five years running. That includes the 4.7, Radial, and standard. Sorry y'all missed the regatta notice.
  7. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

  8. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    "Sunfish in the fog". No shit. Meanwhile, over at the REAL class page:
  9. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    I wonder what Scott v. Chipotle Mexican Grill was about. Food poisoning? The victim was too sick from E. coli and salmonella to file suit in a timely manner?
  10. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Keep in mind the Sunfish is a bit different from the Laser in terms of one-design. The Laser was created as SMOD racing class from the ground up while the Sunfish evolved to it.
  11. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    For agrument's sake, let's say everyone gets behind the concept of the ISCO. Parts and boats start flowing, and the class enjoys financial support from the builder. Everyone gathers around the campfire and sings kumbaya. Such a business strategy suits Rasty's business goals TODAY. What about a few years from now when he decides he's not making enough money again? What tricks does he have up his sleeve for then?
  12. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Instead of alienating the class, a good business leader would recognize it as an outlet to sell more boats. So only 10% of boats are sold to racers? Work with the class to get that to 20%.
  13. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    This appeared the other day on the ISCO website in response to the ISCA president's letter. I'm not sure if it got notice here. I'm real interested to see how they respond to WS. Also, it seems the $1,000,000 in support has now become $500,000. https://sunfishclass.net/news/ November 18th, 2017 Dear Sunfish Sailors – We have seen the recent letter from the ISCA President and several posts and wanted to clarify several misperceptions: - This is an Intellectual Property (IP) issue and an IP issue only. - LP is the sole builder and owner of the Sunfish IP (marks & logos) worldwide. They are registered and protected at a significant cost. - Previous IP licenses had lapsed so we offered to license our IP rights to ISCA for free for 15 years! And to further support the class with $500,000 in sponsorship over the next 5 years. - After going back and forth for two years and much to our dismay, the ISCA President made the choice to not sign the agreement and to use ISCA resources to fight our IP ownership. We don't believe that ISCA should be getting into fights over IP and should stick to promoting the class and events for their members. - When ISCA would not sign the agreement, we had no choice but to protect our IP and look to a new future for the Sunfish Class on a Worldwide basis with ISCO. - As the sole builder and IP owner, we are committed to growing the Sunfish Class on Worldwide basis and working with sailors to make that happen.
  14. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Even this Sunfish fiasco and the Laser mess are resolved, I am never buying another boat made by Laser Performance. I'll begrudgingly buy class-legal parts to keep my current boat going, but that is all. LP has shown their true colors, and they are company I do not wish to support.
  15. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Does this mean yacht clubs are now going to have to submit all NORs to legal review before posting them to the web?