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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. ^^ fine bob. You and I have a different perspective on how far one should 'push' a client. (and on other things as we have discussed elsewhere). I would comment that 'unusually experienced' clients, were often the ones I felt I needed to push out of their box hardest. And yea, I actually think I do understand the custom consulting design process - both in boating and elsewhere. Both our approaches obviously worked for each of us. They have different 'failure modes' - and for sure neither is 100% successful. There is no criticism intended or implied in any of this. It is just 'coffee table talk'. I'm just sitting around killing time waiting for my mom to die
  2. lol - I dont know you AT ALL. But I do know #1 that the visibility from fb are really nice, and as bob says above . . . people tend to gravatate to to the best visibility spots, and I have several friends who felt the way you do now and after a while they bought another boat with better FB (despite most of them still not really liking the aesthetic). and #2 I know from my business marketing experience that most consumers dont really know in advance what they actually want. They only know after the fact. Part of the genius of Steve Jobs was giving people things they did not know they wanted, and part of the failure of Detroit is just giving people what they asked for. If you do actually rate aesthetics way way way over functionality, then no FB and you may be the rare duck that sticks that way And no-stress here, you can always get another boat if you learn something new about yourself from this one. regarding remote joysticks . . . . if you have an autopilot installed, it is super easy to accomplish and mostly a 'no-brainer' (I hate that phrase but it is sometimes useful). And (from just below) . . . yea Bob, I totally get 'know the client' . . . I was a decently successful consultant back in my corporate days. But I also felt it my responsibility to sometimes push the client quite hard into something they initially resisted and felt uncomfortable with. We discussed this a bit with your PS ketch. Yea, it is a tricky balancing act . . . I once convinced a Swedish board to hire a french CEO. That was a tough push - way out of their comfort zone But it worked out well after all was said and done.
  3. yes, but I imagine you could make a hollow 'fit over' external sleeve end fitting for your solid rods. You have all the machining capability to do something clever here. as I said above - the french g-class guys must have this sorted out. If you get to know a top french pro or two . . . it is interesting . . . they both have all sorts of really top contacts . . .and they have access to 'warehouses' just full of spare stuff from finished french programs - all sorts of exotic stuff just lying around. It is a different world that suddenly opens up.
  4. ^^ yes, agreed, we certainly had 'spare' headsails, but never carried a spare main - pretty damn big and difficult to wrestle on at sea. We used our trysail as a 'spare' a couple times when there was a problem with the main I did not want to fix. Another southern ocean situation we had was one of the harken bat cars broke, spilled all its balls and gouged the track so we could not raise or lower other cars past that spot. had a spare section of track, but we actually used the trysail until landfall that time because I did not want to replace the track section at sea. a total aside, but . . . about repairs at sea and in remote places . . . . there are a very few people in the industry who actually really know their shit inside and out at the top pro level (there are a lot of pretenders - I could count on my fingers and toes the real deals and still have a few fingers left). It is really nice to have these few people on sat phone speed dial - I had two sailmakers, a B&G guy and a yanmar guy who all saved my bacon a couple times.
  5. for sail repair - if you have a problem you can't glue, and you can't sew, I guess you are left with mechanical - rivets, thru bolts, grommets and such . . . . is there a fourth major alternative/approach I am overlooking?
  6. ^^ yup, I can'f find a pic of our batten end fittings, but they were sort of a combinations of these two: They screwed into the batten back like this: and then held the webbing a bit like these, except with a bit more rounded edges
  7. ok bob. But I predict if you give kim a minimal one, he will later wish it was bigger But then you can design him another boat. And IR/joystick remote control will be 'the future'.
  8. ^^ dashew actually had no wheel at all on his powerboat - just a couple joysticks (inside helm and flybridge). I can remember if he had an IR one, but we know a M&M cat that is steered that way (remoter control joystick box). You have to get used to them, because its a bit different motion than with wheel throttle but once you do they are nice. Fly bridges are 'interesting'. My impression is that new owners want them minimal, but then later discover they spend more time there than they expected and wish they were bigger - was certainly true for dashew.
  9. ^^ sorry guys for the confusion . . . I meant to put this all this in the 'something different' thread, ended up here by accident. But CA is used to thread drifting. Kim, you know I appreciate simplicity also and have no interest in a genset, and I'm not really interested in a gyro unless it is the only possible solution and I have absolutely everything else sorted out to perfection. But question - with a power boat would you really need a genset to run a gyro? I looked at the power requirements and it seemed to me like would be fine with a good strong alternator. Obviously only underway, not at anchor.
  10. ^^ yea, they appear to work but pretty expensive and heavy. I was interested that Steve went stabilizers rather than gyros. I will have to ask him about this question. But I pretty sure he will just tell me the solution is more hull.