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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Stone Horse

    Not horrible. The way the cockpit scoops water when rail-down is a design fault but I doubt that the designed intention was open water sailing in moderate to fresh conditions. That doesn't have to be a major nuisance if the cockpit drains can clear it quickly. The cockpit lockers need to be sealed and, if the one I sailed was typical, the switchboard needs to be as high as reasonably possible. The rest of it is fine. Within the limitations of a 23'er, these are seaworthy boats.
  2. Stone Horse

    The Stonehorse is a seaworthy boat, within the limitations of a 23' boat. Good strong, well-supported cutter rig, carrying a lot of sail, easily reduced to a self-tacking heavy-weather rig. It has a few weaknesses. Well, the one I delivered had a few, maybe not representative. The cockpit scoops up the ocean and it pours below through the lockers, onto the engine and the switchboard. Yeah, the switchboard was in the bilge. The removable tiller, which opens up space in the cockpit, removes itself at sea and is a helluva thing to fit in a seaway. I vaguely remember some issue with the 2:1 staysail halyard system. I clearly remember a problem with the 1/4" shackles which were used in place of missing link-plates at the chainplates. A routine inspection after crossing Bass Strait found the shackles were twice as long as they had been and were too distorted to remove without a hacksaw. I failed to note the shackles before heading out. No reflection on the boat. I'd take one of these boats anywhere that I'd take any 23', with minor fixes.
  3. Tillerpilot

    I don't know anything about the Pelagic but I've delivered a few boats with Raymarine and Simrad toy autopilots. By far the biggest issue has been the lack of sealing with the Raymarine units. They may work in the laboratory. In this respect, the Simrad units are better. The cleverest solution I've seen was on a Raymarine unit that had a fish-tank air pump remotely operating to keep the unit pressurised through a thin air-line.
  4. An interesting tool

    These things have more uses than you can think of. My $14 version (android) has been used on deliveries to check tanks, check cylinder bore, check the internals of a gearbox, check rudder pintles from the dinghy, find paint flakes that stuck to my eyelid and check any number of inaccessible cavities where essential controls disappeared. I deliver some clunkers. Mine is so easy to use, even I can manage. Get one.
  5. Sailing a fractional rig under jib only

    Solings and Etchells are in-line and both can be induced to break the rig under jib alone.
  6. who gonna pay?

    It depends on which state in Australia. Here in Tasmania, it's free to anyone. In Queensland, it's free to Qld ratepayers. Unfortunately, it wasn't free for me in Qld when I smashed my paraglider into a hill in Qld. The helicopter was free, that was a "rescue" but the trip to hospital was a four-figure sum. To return to the topic, I'm happy to see my taxes used to rescue people who've gone out there and come a gutser. Things happen.
  7. Cheeki Rafiki MAIB report published

    Four bodies in a 12 man raft will be hard, stressful work. The only way to stop the wind from getting under the floor and flipping the raft is to have each person sitting with their backs against the canopy, if possible with their feet touching in the middle to stiffen the floor. Something we were able to do as "volunteers" in a naval simulation, 25 kn and 2 metre seas, having been tumbled several times while we worked it out. Not something you want to try.
  8. F-22 Update

    To find a suitable spot for the through-hull transducer on any glass boat, power up your sounder and place the transducer in a plastic bag full of water. Hold the transducer, in the bag, against the hull at a likely spot and check that the sounder reads okay. If not, move it around until it reads. Best done in deep water but you're mainly concerned with reading it in shoals. Once you have the spot, a smear of silicon across the face of the transducer, clear of bubbles, will hold it in place. It seems Ian has forseen this issue and has a site prepared..